They're going to ask for a sweetener because they can. Because who else can we go to? Because this is a situation in which our team has no leverage, and if you think any team is going to do us the favor of getting us out of a $7.5M hit without taking anything in return, you're nuts.
Except it's not a favor. It's an even swap in cases like Phoenix. They get the cap hit they want and don't have to pay actual money.
Now teams could be dicks but that's where reputation comes in. Kenny has good relations with everyone and no in the old boys club almost no one is going to try and so obviously put the screws to the Wings.
In fact the favor would be in taking a scrub or failed prospect that we can't unload anywhere else. I'd imagine the sweetener is just Holland trying to unload chaff to free up roster spaces.
1. Trade Mantha, Nyquist, Ouellet, 2017 1st for Subban
2. Trade Svechnikov, Tatar, Marchenko for Trouba
3. Trade 2016 1st + Pulkkinen to move up in 1st round
4. Draft Jake Bean
5. Trade Howard for 2016 3rd
6. Let all UFAs walk
7. Sign Okposo
8. Sign Radulov
9. Convince Datsyuk to stay to play with Radulov 10. Move Ericsson to forward
11. Promote Callahan, Frk, Tangradi, Sproul, Coreau
DeKeyser - Subban
Smith - Trouba
Kronwall - Green
*politely places mic back on stand*
Not bad at all I agree with most of your ideas. I have suggested moving Ericsson to net front presence/forward a couple of times on the forums before. Given that we are stuck with him, let's use his size and let him sweat it out at the crease.
Some of your moves are not possible I'd reckon, for instance Datsyuk wouldn't be coming back because of Radulov. But if they were, I'm good with them.
I am hearing good things about Marchenko such as him having much more upside that we have seen from good sources, I'd like to keep him a little longer to see if that's true.
You are tyring to defend Holland with a really really bad list of players. Most of those signings were fill, nothing more. When you have a weak UFA class like the year we signed Weiss, being 4th might as well be 50th. Many on this very forum knew and stated that bringing him in was a mistake. he was a below average top line guy for Florida, coming off several years of injuries, and BTW is STILL UNSIGNED. No one wants him. In fact I wonder did any other team really want him the year we signed him? It was a signing that seem to happen because he wanted to come here more than anything else. Also the best guy on the list: Hossa, he called Holland and convinced him he wanted to play in Detroit. Holland was not going after Hossa.
So many things wrong here, where to even start.
1) I never posted a list, you are confusing me with the poster "PavelValerievichDatsyuk". My post simply included Green and Weiss as examples.
2) The conversation going on right now between you and many posters stemmed from a comment you made where you said
"I am not conviced that Holland wants to or likes to bring in guys from the outside"
PavelValerievichDatsyuk clearly proved you wrong, so now you are changing your narrative. The comment wasn't, "Holland doesn't bring in effective Free Agents" or "Holland doesn't like to bring in top tier guys, again it was "I am not convinced that Holland wants to or likes to bring in guys from the outside".
3) Once proven wrong, you then changed your argument to say "How many are in any way shape or form are stars?" by this you are implying that Holland doesn't like to bring in stars. This is also not true. We all know that "stars" generally dont hit UFA anymore, so to go after "stars" is extremely hard/rare. But, when they have become available Holland has gone after them. Did he land them all....no, but again that is not the argument here, the argument is whether or not he wants to go after them. I used Green as an example because last year he was the #1 UFA (according to TSN) available, and I used Weiss because the year we signed him he was also one of the top 5 UFA available. Suter is another one, yes we didn't land him but Holland tried. Hossa is another one regardless of who contacted who. Again, the question is does Holland like to bring in UFA stars, if he didn't, he would have turned Hossa away. That's a silly argument, what GM doesn't want to bring in star players.
4) Weiss. Nobody will argue that Weiss panned out, it is clear as day that it was a bust signing. But what is unfair, is you reference his injury history as why Holland shouldn't have signed him. (implying Holland should have saw it coming) Weiss was coming off a year with a broken wrist. A broken wrist fully healed should not be an issue at all. Other then the wrist, he only missed I believe 3 weeks between 2012 and 2013. In Weiss's first year with the Wings, he suffered from I believe either an abdominal tear or a hernia, either way, not exactly an injury easy to predict.
5) You are turning the fact that he is not signed in 2016 into a point. Of course he is not signed today, the guy suffered an injury that it pretty much going to be with him for the rest of his career and he is now 33. His situation in 2016 which is that he is 33 coming off an chronic injury vs being 30 and coming off a broken wrist where he was expected to make a full recovery are just not the same thing. Its apples and oranges.
Weiss on Florida was a below average #1 center, probably one of the worst #1 center's in the league. To think that he was good enough to be a good #2 center, IMO was completely justified. Did it work out...no, but I dont think you can blame Holland for not seeing this coming. Do I think it is fair to say Holland should have re-signed Fillpula instead, yes, that would be a fair statement.
If I were Holland, my number 1 priority this offseason would be PK Subban. If the rumors of his availability are true, Holland has got to make that happen. I would be willing to trade anything up to and including Mantha+++. And if it turns out he is available but gets traded to another team, then Holland can GTFO.
If PK is truly available, then I would be perfectly fine with the team throwing everything at him. I love him, and I would also love to see the Head 'Splodey that would happen to a few members around here
Edit: Backes and Subban. That's what I want from this offseason, dammit.
Any line with Z and D can't get down ice - neither gets skating down ice fast enough and the play goes side to side. Doesn't matter who you put with them.
Okay I disagree with you those guys still get down the ice maybe not with pure speed but pav can still break in the zone fairly easily, z does it more with strength, and I believe those two will get better they always take a game to get adjusted to playing with each other again. I think mantha would be the perfect fit with them. Not every line has to be fast those two are smart enough and can make plays that they don't need pure speed. Then your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are pretty quick
Andersson will likely be in the lineup tonight against Buffalo, and Athanasiou is expected to be back in the lineup tonight against Rochester. Maybe they swap them after tonight's games, assuming Andersson clears waivers and is sent to Grand Rapids...
Although it's probably more likely that they're looking to call up a defender with Kronwall out for the next few weeks. Likely Ouellet, but I'd like to see Jensen or Sproul get a look.
He managed to find us a RHD we've been looking for since Rafalski retired, he addressed our lack of center depth after buying out Weiss. More importantly he did both without tying us to either player long term so even if they don't work out, it won't be a disaster.
To top if off he and Mr. Ilitch already worked out a pretty awesome new dance routine with our new additions.
Its hard to get excited with no fore check.
His back checking is decent, but I don't like playing from behind with semin, he has no intensity, and he puts too much pressure on the rush, and when he doesn't score he gives up and you don't see him the rest of the time.
Burke actually did say "green peace folks" once. It was when he sent Franks favorite dumb meathead, Colton Orr, to the minors (cause he sucks) and all 29 other teams acknowledged His suckyness by not claiming him on waivers
That press conference was a master stroke by Brian Burke. He became the champion of "Ye Olde Tyme Hockey" by glorifying Colton Orr at the same time as he was effectively waiving him and ending his pro career.
"Look at Colton Orr here", Burke gestures, "Why he's the prototype of what a hockey player should be. All heart, knuckles, and square jaw. I love this kid as if he were my own son. He a rat killing, penalty box chillin, death tollin, rock and rollin', son of a gun, and he's the kind of guy that wins hockey games..."
..."which is why I'm waiving him and sending him to the minors".
I've been watching Mantha all season. My fear is he ends up another Franson. Right now, he is not aggresive along the boards and looses most of those battles. He also is slow getting back on defense. What he does have is a great set of hands and some speed. It's just that the drive seems to be lacking.