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#2673315 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kliq on 24 April 2016 - 02:11 AM

You are tyring to defend Holland with a really really bad list of players. Most of those signings were fill, nothing more. When you have a weak UFA class like the year we signed Weiss, being 4th might as well be 50th. Many on this very forum knew and stated that bringing him in was a mistake. he was a below average top line guy for Florida, coming off several years of injuries, and BTW is STILL UNSIGNED. No one wants him. In fact I wonder did any other team really want him the year we signed him? It was a signing that seem to happen because he wanted to come here more than anything else. Also the best guy on the list: Hossa, he called Holland and convinced him he wanted to play in Detroit. Holland was not going after Hossa.

 

So many things wrong here, where to even start.

1) I never posted a list, you are confusing me with the poster "PavelValerievichDatsyuk". My post simply included Green and Weiss as examples.

2) The conversation going on right now between you and many posters stemmed from a comment you made where you said

"I am not conviced that Holland wants to or likes to bring in guys from the outside"

PavelValerievichDatsyuk clearly proved you wrong, so now you are changing your narrative. The comment wasn't, "Holland doesn't bring in effective Free Agents" or "Holland doesn't like to bring in top tier guys, again it was "I am not convinced that Holland wants to or likes to bring in guys from the outside".

3) Once proven wrong, you then changed your argument to say "How many are in any way shape or form are stars?" by this you are implying that Holland doesn't like to bring in stars. This is also not true. We all know that "stars" generally dont hit UFA anymore, so to go after "stars" is extremely hard/rare. But, when they have become available Holland has gone after them. Did he land them all....no, but again that is not the argument here, the argument is whether or not he wants to go after them. I used Green as an example because last year he was the #1 UFA (according to TSN) available, and I used Weiss because the year we signed him he was also one of the top 5 UFA available. Suter is another one, yes we didn't land him but Holland tried. Hossa is another one regardless of who contacted who. Again, the question is does Holland like to bring in UFA stars, if he didn't, he would have turned Hossa away. That's a silly argument, what GM doesn't want to bring in star players.

4) Weiss. Nobody will argue that Weiss panned out, it is clear as day that it was a bust signing. But what is unfair, is you reference his injury history as why Holland shouldn't have signed him. (implying Holland should have saw it coming) Weiss was coming off a year with a broken wrist. A broken wrist fully healed should not be an issue at all. Other then the wrist, he only missed I believe 3 weeks between 2012 and 2013. In Weiss's first year with the Wings, he suffered from I believe either an abdominal tear or a hernia, either way, not exactly an injury easy to predict.

5) You are turning the fact that he is not signed in 2016 into a point. Of course he is not signed today, the guy suffered an injury that it pretty much going to be with him for the rest of his career and he is now 33. His situation in 2016 which is that he is 33 coming off an chronic injury vs being 30 and coming off a broken wrist where he was expected to make a full recovery are just not the same thing. Its apples and oranges.

 

Weiss on Florida was a below average #1 center, probably one of the worst #1 center's in the league. To think that he was good enough to be a good #2 center, IMO was completely justified. Did it work out...no, but I dont think you can blame Holland for not seeing this coming. Do I think it is fair to say Holland should have re-signed Fillpula instead, yes, that would be a fair statement.




#2672996 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 22 April 2016 - 01:32 PM

If I were Holland, my number 1 priority this offseason would be PK Subban. If the rumors of his availability are true, Holland has got to make that happen. I would be willing to trade anything up to and including Mantha+++. And if it turns out he is available but gets traded to another team, then Holland can GTFO.

If PK is truly available, then I would be perfectly fine with the team throwing everything at him. I love him, and I would also love to see the Head 'Splodey that would happen to a few members around here :lol:

Edit: Backes and Subban. That's what I want from this offseason, dammit.


#2668395 ECQF Game 1 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 3, Red Wings 2

Posted by Nyquistfan14 on 13 April 2016 - 09:35 PM

Any line with Z and D can't get down ice - neither gets skating down ice fast enough and the play goes side to side. Doesn't matter who you put with them. 


Okay I disagree with you those guys still get down the ice maybe not with pure speed but pav can still break in the zone fairly easily, z does it more with strength, and I believe those two will get better they always take a game to get adjusted to playing with each other again. I think mantha would be the perfect fit with them. Not every line has to be fast those two are smart enough and can make plays that they don't need pure speed. Then your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are pretty quick


#2649446 Joakim Andesson on Waivers

Posted by krsmith17 on 22 January 2016 - 01:05 PM

Andersson will likely be in the lineup tonight against Buffalo, and Athanasiou is expected to be back in the lineup tonight against Rochester. Maybe they swap them after tonight's games, assuming Andersson clears waivers and is sent to Grand Rapids...

 

Although it's probably more likely that they're looking to call up a defender with Kronwall out for the next few weeks. Likely Ouellet, but I'd like to see Jensen or Sproul get a look.




#2632612 10/23 Tacky GDT Red Wings @ Calgary Flames 9:00 PM EST

Posted by KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 on 23 October 2015 - 09:21 PM

Don't make Q angry.
You won't like it when he is angry


#2618533 Holland doesn't expect to be busy this offseason

Posted by FlashyG on 01 July 2015 - 07:39 PM

He managed to find us a RHD we've been looking for since Rafalski retired, he addressed our lack of center depth after buying out Weiss. More importantly he did both without tying us to either player long term so even if they don't work out, it won't be a disaster.

 

To top if off he and Mr. Ilitch already worked out a pretty awesome new dance routine with our new additions.

 

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#2617717 Alexander semin being bought out

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 30 June 2015 - 07:58 PM

Its hard to get excited with no fore check.
His back checking is decent, but I don't like playing from behind with semin, he has no intensity, and he puts too much pressure on the rush, and when he doesn't score he gives up and you don't see him the rest of the time.


#2616206 Will Wings Revisit Signing Phaneuf?

Posted by kipwinger on 25 June 2015 - 10:42 AM

Burke actually did say "green peace folks" once. It was when he sent Franks favorite dumb meathead, Colton Orr, to the minors (cause he sucks) and all 29 other teams acknowledged His suckyness by not claiming him on waivers

 

That press conference was a master stroke by Brian Burke.  He became the champion of "Ye Olde Tyme Hockey" by glorifying Colton Orr at the same time as he was effectively waiving him and ending his pro career.

 

"Look at Colton Orr here", Burke gestures, "Why he's the prototype of what a hockey player should be.  All heart, knuckles, and square jaw.  I love this kid as if he were my own son.  He a rat killing, penalty box chillin, death tollin, rock and rollin', son of a gun, and he's the kind of guy that wins hockey games..."

 

..."which is why I'm waiving him and sending him to the minors". 




#2601194 Brian McGrattan

Posted by Hack & Whack Rule! on 26 April 2015 - 10:51 AM

I'm not scared of Brian McGrattan...in fact, I dare him to come and try to slam my face into my keyboaljksdfhgkljsh




#2596420 Oilers win the Draft Lottery

Posted by derblaueClaus on 18 April 2015 - 07:24 PM

Good, buffalo didnt deserve him after that tank job

 

True. But McDavid also didn't deserve the Oilers.




#2582477 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by TomTestedTough on 16 March 2015 - 09:48 AM

I've been watching Mantha all season. My fear is he ends up another Franson. Right now, he is not aggresive along the boards and looses most of those battles. He also is slow getting back on defense. What he does have is a great set of hands and some speed. It's just that the drive seems to be lacking.




#2588705 In the midst of one of the worst slumps in recent memory...where will

Posted by KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 on 03 April 2015 - 11:28 AM

Win Saturday because im there and they haven't lost when I'm there in person.

One game at a time.



I'm buying you season tix


#2580470 3/9 GDT : Oilers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by PenaltyShot 96 on 09 March 2015 - 08:47 PM

 

Another Detroit penalty coming... DK crosscheck




#2575096 2/26 GDT : Red Wings 3 at San Jose Sharks 2

Posted by Echolalia on 26 February 2015 - 10:38 PM

why is everything green




#2570516 Poor Eaves can't catch a break

Posted by Vladinator16 on 14 February 2015 - 01:43 PM

Eaves takes a Slapper to the head in last nights Stars/Panthers game. 

 

 

 

Where the hell was Klingberg shooting? 

 

Eaves really has no luck, I still remember the Josi shot that put him close to a year. 

 

 

 

Get well soon Eaves!