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#2187150 Lidstrom agrees to 1-year, $6.2m contract

Posted by Aussie_Wing on 20 June 2011 - 10:24 AM

Yeah, because a difference of 1 or 2 million is going to keep Detroit from making it in the playoffs.

Do you think he is worth LESS than Seabrook? Seabrook is being paid 5.8 next year.

Oh right-o, I forgot that Seabrook was in his 20th odd NHL season and had earnt an absolute stack over his cateer.


#2187142 Lidstrom agrees to 1-year, $6.2m contract

Posted by Aussie_Wing on 20 June 2011 - 10:20 AM

Again too steep.

$6.2 mil, he must like losing in the Semi's.


#2184180 Flyers acquire Bryzgalov's rights

Posted by eva unit zero on 09 June 2011 - 04:09 PM

If a door is opened for Boucher then I hope Kenny closes it. Sign Conklin. He's the perfect back-up goalie. Likely get him for 1 mil.


Yep, and Howard will have a season-ending injury in October after being run by Matt Cooke, so Holland will then go out and sign Manny Legace, who had been playing on an AHL contract. He'll trade for Andreas Lilja the day before the next Pens game so that Cooke's season can end, also. And at the deadline, he'll just start trading picks for every player in the league who has played for the Wings while he's been GM. The Wings end up getting guys like Kopecky, Hossa, Leino, Quincey, Lebda, Whitney, Williams, and so on. Most of them end up having to be waived to make room for other guys Holland keeps bringing in, but Holland doesn't really care. After he finishes with all of his trading, he manages to trade coaches and acquire former Wings coaches such as Dave Lewis and Todd McLellan, and then trades himself to Tampa Bay for Steve Yzerman.

Mike Ilitch then appeals to the league, stating that Holland had been under mind control by a fan forum and was not making decisions of his own will. Any trades involving the Wings at the deadline are nullified, Holland is admitted for treatment, and Jim Nill is named acting GM. However, Mike Ilitch didn't know that Nill's minor was in Musical Theatre, and Nill constantly sings songs from "West Side Story" when playing Winnipeg or Phoenix, and is always belting tunes from "Cats" when in Miami or Nashville, while sailing through "Annie" when at Madison Square Garden.



#2179986 Why no team is likely to offer sheet Doughty, Weber, or Parise

Posted by Datsyerberger on 26 May 2011 - 12:43 PM

Because they're all eligible for salary arbitration (which protects a player from offer sheets), and if these players are not signed by July 1st, it's likely that will be taken to arbitration (the arbitration award is not likely to be as high as what exposing such a player to offer sheets could drive their salary to). A team has the option to take a player to arbitration once per each player's career (a tool to protect a valuable player from offer sheets during their most valuable RFA period). A player can still choose to go to arbitration any time he comes up as RFA.

This has been a public service announcement.

Edit: more information from post below

I was on my way out the door when I wrote that, so I'll offer a little more insight to the process here now that my brain isn't quite as numb as it was earlier.

RFA: A drafted player may opt to become an unrestricted free agent either when they're 27 or when they've acquired 7 years of NHL experience (10 games or more played counts as a year of experience when determining free agency). Their rights can free up earlier if the NHL team in possession relinquishes them.

Offer sheet: Any RFA may be given an offer sheet unless they're protected (either by the team or player) via arbitration. If (and only if) a player accepts the offer sheet, the team in possession of his rights has a chance to match. The match is binding, and so the player cannot be given another offer sheet. If the team in possession declines to match, then the offering team relinquishes draft picks based upon salary. If the team is not in possession of their own draft picks needed for the next draft, they cannot make the offer. They must have the picks for that draft and it must be their own picks, not ones in the same round acquired via trade.

Additionally, a player may not be traded in the year in which they signed an offer sheet (whether they're on the new team or on the old team that matched).

Here's the chart for offer sheet compensation for this year (based upon league average salary):

$1,034,249 and below -- Nothing
$1,034,250 to $1,567,043 -- 3rd round pick
$1,567,044 to $3,134,088 -- 2nd round pick
$3,134,089 to $4,701,131 -- 1st and 3rd
$4,701,132 to $6,268,175 -- 1st, 2nd, 3rd
$6,268,176 to $7,835,219 -- Two 1sts (sequential years), 2nd, 3rd
$7,835,220 and above -- Four 1sts (sequential years)

Arbitration: If a player signs a contract after age 20 (meaning they turned 20 before free agency IIRC) then they are eligible for arbitration any year afterwards in which they are an RFA. If they sign before 20, then they are eligible for arbitration for 4 years after they signed. However, an accrued NHL season (>=10 games) takes a year off of this period.

If the player is eligible for arbitration, he may elect to go to arbitration any time he's RFA. Deadline for submission of arbitration is July 5th.

If a team files for arbitration with a player, the rules are a bit different. The team may only do this once during that player's career. They cannot ask for a salary reduction greater than 15%, and any contract awarded during this period is binding. If it was the player that brought them to arbitration, and not the team, the team can opt to step away from the contract (and automatically do if they don't accept the contract within 48 hours of the verdict).

So what effect does this have on Doughty, Weber, and Parise? All are eligible for salary arbitration. In the case of all three, the team is eligible to file. In the case of all three of these players, if they are not signed by July 1st it likely means that they want significant money and they were not able to work out a deal with the team. If this is the case, the teams in question will most likely take them to arbitration.

Remember, any salary offered under a $7,835,220 cap hit is worth two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd at max. Even if those are likely valuable 1sts, it could be argued that is worth it to acquire any of these players. Seeing as their teams would not want to be forced into signing a contract that high (or lose the players for two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd), and that arbitration will likely not award any of them a salary that high, this greatly increases the chances of all three of these players going to arbitration via the team if they do not have a deal worked out by July 1st.

I hope this provides additional insight into the process for some people.


#2024466 Wings sign Ruslan Salei

Posted by NeverForgetMac25 on 09 August 2010 - 02:47 PM

Realistically, as long as Kenny wants to stand pat at the deadline, Detroit could even pay both Modo's and Salei's bonuses with this years' cap money. Let's say Abdelkader gets an equal deal to that of Helm (which I feel is slightly overestimating it rather than under) at a Cap-hit of $912,500. That's puts the Wings at a current Cap Payroll of $60,300,377 (or Cap Space of -$900,377). Given both Miller's and Meech's salary are removed (either through waivers or trade) Kenny then has $249,623 in Cap Space remaining for injury call-ups.

Granted its half of what he was looking for but as long as the Wings stay relatively healthy, the call-ups shouldn't take away too much of that cap space. Even if it chews up the entire almost $250k, all of a sudden the Wings have zero carry-over bonuses next year (which wouldn't be the worse thing to begin with give the current state of the team for 2011/2012).

Now, if Kenny really wants to go for broke, he could choose to apply the bonuses to next year's team and literally add a player with a cap hit of roughly $4 million at the deadline to put the team over the top if he feels its necessary.

No matter how you slice it, Kenny's assembled an incredible team with the Cap Space he's had and barring an epic meltdown of Howard, there's no reason to think this season won't be great for Wings fans.


#2017145 Loophole

Posted by T.Low on 20 July 2010 - 12:11 AM

I really hope the NHL closes the loophole which allows teams to give ridiculously long contracts, such as Kovalchuk's 17 year deal, to save cap space.

Instead of averaging the yearly salary, the cap hit should be whatever the player makes that year. These contracs are getting ridiculous, and that includes Franzens 11 year deal.

Anyway thoes are my thoughts, What do you guys think would you like the NHL to step in and put a stop to the madness.





Spoken like a true socialist.


#2012163 Getflaf for Zetter

Posted by Original-Six on 07 July 2010 - 05:20 PM

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#1996255 Trade Cleary?

Posted by stevkrause on 08 June 2010 - 12:14 PM

Hell no.

Dan Cleary is exactly what you want in a hockey player. Clears is one of the most versatile guys we have. He is a Jack of All Trades. He can effectively bang and grind on the fourth line, bang grind and score on the 3rd line, create space, bang, score and back check on the 2nd and 1st lines. More versatilve than anyone else we have.

I've seen too many games where the Wings came out flat except for Dan Cleary.

Cleary, the Physical Forechecking Playmaker:

Cleary the Net Minders Menace:

Cleary the Dangler:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU0GAF0jdXk&feature=related

Cleary the Stand Up Guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsO6YFc2uw&feature=related

DEAD ON - Anyone who thinks otherwise, doesn't know hockey...


#1996240 Trade Cleary?

Posted by stevkrause on 08 June 2010 - 11:53 AM

He was supposed to fill the void left via free agency and was banged up ALL season long ... so his play was more under the microscope than in past seasons ... a healthy cleary is a goal scoring cleary

exactly... he has a down year and plays through injuries like a warrior and people get on him!?!? the man is a true warrior and we should be grateful to have him... how quickly people forget 08... anyone who says yes should be ashamed of themselves and is an idiot...


#1995670 Why Holmstrom

Posted by jroach17 on 07 June 2010 - 06:31 AM

In this day and age of big speedy forwards, and great two way players, why in the world would the Wings resign Holmstrom? He is only good for the powerplay, he is a liability on defense, & my grandma can skate faster than him. This was our chance to get younger, faster, bigger with Free agency. We signed Lidstrom, okay fine, still think we paid too much, but I'm okay with it. I'm not okay with the human pylon being resigned. We probably should have kept Leino instead of Holmstrom seeing as how he is playing right now. I'm also starting to think we should have kept Steve Yzerman & let Holland walk too, that was a bad move for the future Holland, you blew it!


#1993506 With Yzerman in Tampa, would he trade with Detroit?

Posted by Lidstromboli on 02 June 2010 - 11:27 PM

You, my friend, should be a meteorologist.


with a slight chance of lebda


#1923151 DET-PIT Post-Game Discussion

Posted by Carman on 23 March 2010 - 12:25 PM

I'm sure if Zetterberg took a swing, he'd be the one to get punished by the League, Crosby probably knew it too. Z did the right thing.


Well considering I doubt Zetterberg has the heart to fight a very physical player like Crosby I doubt we will ever know.


#1923130 Brandon Wong signs ATO with Griffins

Posted by titanium2 on 23 March 2010 - 11:53 AM

Alright, sweet! A Black guy and now an Asian. Sweet. GR is all about diversity, haha.

EDIT: Had to write what I really meant.


#1917322 Is Datsyuk a lock for the Selke?

Posted by GordieSid&Ted on 16 March 2010 - 03:44 PM

The problem I have is the PK time. If Datsyu is the best defensive forward in the league, why is there 7 forwards on his team that have more PK time then him? Kesler is Vancouver's first choice on the PK. Also, Kesler's 66 blocked shots blows Datsyuk's 25 out of the water.


A couple of reasons

1. The Wings have always platooned PKers. I believe for a number of years our lineup has allowed us to rotate as many as 8 to 9 forwards for PK duty. And not slouches either. Flip, Clearly, etc... and now Miller and Eaves.

2. Datsyuk, IMO is the catalyst for the offense (forwards that is). It's my belief that as the most creative and most offensive guy we possess, his time is best served doing that, providing offense and offensive chances. Especially on a team that has lost as much production as it has this year.

The question isn't if Dats is the best defensive forward, why doesn't he have the most PK time? The question is, why would you burn up your top centerman with excess minutes on the PK night in and night out when you have 6+ fully capable, pking forwards? Lead by Z, the Wings have ample ability to send guys out who can do the job.

If the Wings didn't have the players who could kill, then Dats would be out there more. But since we have so many who are capable, best to let them eat up some of those minutes. You can't play Pav 30 minutes a night. And having him out there all night killing PK's might be a good thing but not at the expense of exhausting him on the offensive side of things when the Wings are probably 100 goals shorter in the production dept. this year.


#1923096 DET-PIT Post-Game Discussion

Posted by Carman on 23 March 2010 - 10:53 AM

i love how nhl.com says "sid scraps with wings goalie howard" howard took him out sidney didnt even touch howard, therefore title should say howard handles crosby


Or Crosby decided not to unleash his superior fighting skills against a young rookie.

What a citizen that Crosby fellow is.