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In Topic: What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

11 August 2014 - 04:46 PM


I stand by my original statement.  Gretzky retired in 1999 at the age of 38 with 62 points.  In 2002 Yzerman was 37 and put up 48 pts. 


So the question is, do I believe a 41 year old Gretzky (the age he would have been in 2002) could put up more than 48 points on that team? 


Yes, yes I do. 


Despite his retirement, I'd still rather have had Gretzky in 2002 than Yzerman. 


Maybe but a 41 year old Gretzky would in no way be as effective as Yzerman was defensively. Gretzky may have matched him in points but the Wings would have given up quite a few more. 


it most definitely would have cost us Yzerman, but I would've been ok with that. Fedorov was the key to our Cups


Wow that comment is baffling. 97 sure Feds was better. 98 Yzerman wins Conn Smythe. 02 Yzerman. Your forgetting one major thing and that was Stevie Y's leadership. Feds was not even close to the leader that Stevie was. Dont forget the Wings were down 0-2 going into Vancouver in the first round before Yzerman rallied the troops. You dont have Yzerman on the team and theres a good chance that hall of fame Wings team is out in the 1st round.

In Topic: What is the plan with Mrazek?

12 July 2014 - 12:34 PM

No way that Gus groin last a whole season. Mrazek will get 15+ games this year plus starters role in GR. Hes in Detroit from the start next year.

In Topic: Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

10 July 2014 - 07:12 PM

You people are all way too serous about this. Take a step back from your keyboard and breath.


The positive of this is it a 1 year deal we have a ton of cap space and looks like no way of using it.


People said it being only a one year deal was a positive last year as well. It turned out to be a poor deal even at one year just like this one is likely to be.

In Topic: Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

10 July 2014 - 05:07 PM

What makes me the most infuriated with this signing is Holland doesnt seem to be making this move to better the team. Hes doing it to basically give his buddy a free paycheck and keep a promise that shouldnt have been made. Kind of like if your own a place and your kind of forced to give a job to a cousin, in law, or friend even though they arent qualified but because they are family/friends. You know they wont improve the workplace but it makes your conscience feel good by doing it. 

In Topic: Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

10 July 2014 - 05:03 PM


When did I say that? I clearly said in a previous post that there will have to be a couple guys in the press box, and that Cleary is better suited to that than a guy like Jurco. You want Jurco in that role instead of playing top line minutes in Grand Rapids? Jurco would be in the AHL to start the season without Cleary. Stop acting like this signing is holding him back. It isn't.


Edit: People can get on my case all they want. I'm just trying to discuss the signing itself rather than see this become yet ANOTHER Holland bashing thread. Don't we already have enough of those?


Sorry if thats not 100% what you meant. Thats just how I comprehended your post. This signing is holding the team back though. Signings like these have held the team back the last couple years. The Wings already have guys that fill Cleary's role. There is no need to bring him in. Id rather have Jurco playing top minutes in GR and then getting the call when players inevitably get hurt. 50+ games in GR and then 30 or so in the NHL will do loads more for his development at this stage than 80+ in GR. Having Cleary on the roster just adds another body he has to jump through even though hes proved hes a better player right now.