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#2676298 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 20 May 2016 - 01:34 PM

 

Abdelkader also played three minutes more per game too and spent practically all of that time with Z and/or Datsyuk. 

Z isn't as good anymore so playing with him isn't as awesome as it used to be. Nyquist plays with Tatar who has some of the best possession numbers on the team (better than Zetterberg's) .. Not to mention Nyquist plays against lesser competition more often than not as well. 

 

Additionally Abdelkader's ice time also goes towards penalty killing. About 1.5 minutes per game he plays shorthanded.  Something Nyquist doesn't do. 

 

Even with less ice time, Nyquist managed to take more shots on goal over the course of the year. Yet Abdelkader had 4 game winning goals to Nyquist's 3. 

 

No matter how one cuts it. Abdekader makes less money, has about the same points as Nyquist and does more on ice with penalty killing, blocked shots, hits (team leader for hits btw) and fighting. 

 

I'd say for all the things I listed, in terms of money the Red Wings management is getting a bigger bang for their buck with Abdelkader's deal compared to Nyquist's deal at the moment. 




#2675015 Calder finalists

Posted by Buppy on 03 May 2016 - 04:46 PM

Eichel had only 8 more points than McDavid, in 36 more games. I don't think it takes any ifs and assumptions to say that McDavid was the better player. If he wins it I wouldn't like it, but I think he deserved the nomination.

 

I also think Gost should win. Phenomenal performance for a rookie defenseman.




#2674990 Calder finalists

Posted by FireCaptain on 03 May 2016 - 02:58 PM

Yes, you do on some level. You took time to click reply, type your words, and click submit.

Sorry, I don't care.




#2670003 ECQF Game 3 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by kickazz on 17 April 2016 - 11:58 AM

Never understood the strategy of creating a line to "shut down" an opposing teams top line; when said line will not produce any offence at all. This just means youre wasting 20 minutes of the game not scoring. If the other team's top line scores just once, youre basically starting a 2 period game down 1-0. 

 

 

 

What is their to understand? That line has killed us.  Create a line to stop them, any scoring from our guys on that line is a bonus.  That line has some speed and some grit, I like the move a lot.  Someone has to be in Johnson's mug all night. I have a feeling it may be Glendening's turn to take that role. 

So the whole idea of "shutdown" line worked very well from 2007-2013 when Zetterberg was the designated shutdown forward.  (Against Getzlaf, Riberio, Crosby, Malkin, Toews, and many others)

 

1. Because he had the ability to shutdown opposing teams top line.

2. Because his possession was insane to where his line would create offense and score (a lot).

 

Now I get the idea of Glendenning not being ideal for shutdown because:

 

1. While he can "shutdown" top line opposition..

2. He has terrible possession and can't generate offense.

 

Having said all that we don't really have much of a choice because:

 

1. We don't have a prime Zetterberg type shutdown forward (or a Toews, Koptiar, Bergeron etc etc etc) Not even Zetterberg himself is a Zetterberg.

2. Glendening is all we have in the shutdown role. 

 

We play with the cards we are dealt. 

 

Also to note - the famous "Grind line" was also a shutdown line. Screwed opponents over while scoring a decent amount. 




#2664718 HNIC Rumor: Datsyuk to return to Russia

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 06 April 2016 - 10:33 AM

I'll say it again:

 

These people get paid millions and millions of dollars annually to shoot a rubber puck into a mesh net; When these same people push for a 3 year contract at 35+ years old (which is not the organizations idea) - they do so knowing the implications early "retirement" will cause - so I have no idea how you can justify leaving after the 2nd year, to go and do the exact same thing somewhere else because you "want to gives back to Russia people".

 

That's great Pavel - and can you also "gives back" our $7.5 Million salary cap penalty which basically prevents us from signing Steven Stamkos?

 

Stop being emotional, Pavel Datsyuk is not injured or unable to be an effective NHL player... He is literally going to do the exact same thing next season for a different team without caring about the setback it causes the Detroit Red Wings... The same team that signed him in 2001 (when the "Russia people" weren't paying nearly as much money to it's players).

 

I don't know about you, but if someone in a foreign country offered to pay me $74,525,000 over 14 seasons to play hockey, I probably honour the 15th season as well. 




#2664604 A sight for sore eyes.

Posted by kickazz on 05 April 2016 - 07:15 PM

Lol hilarious till they get the ban. Then that's even more hilarious  :lol:




#2662002 Looking ahead at expansion draft

Posted by Buppy on 25 March 2016 - 07:22 PM

Chipman seems to be running the jets like a small market team so I doubt they'll buy out Enstrom.

I mean, that team didn't even want to pay to captain so I'll doubt they are willing to pay a potential future Norris winner in trouba.

An offer sheet at around 8 x 8 with 20 mill signing bonus should be enough to get this guy too bad Holland doesn't do offer sheets :(

Many things wrong with this.

 

One: Can't offer 8 years. 7 years is the max.

Two: Can't offer $20M signing bonus (unless spanning multiple years). Max is about 14 million, depends on the cap.

Three: Trouba being a potential Norris winner is a stretch. Offensive skills seem only decent at best.

Four: Trouba right now is not worth close to $8M. That'd make him the 2nd highest paid defenseman in the NHL.

Five: Compensation for that would be 4 1st-round picks. Trouba is not worth close to that.

Six: That would create some serious cap problems for us.

Seven: Offer sheets are stupid. There is a reason why almost no one makes them.




#2661252 Ken Campbell predicts Stamkos to Detroit blockbuster

Posted by kickazz on 21 March 2016 - 11:07 AM

Nope he is not a better complete player. There is more to hockey than just points. The way Crosby has carried this team has been ridiculous guy is putting up points left and right.

For sure he hasn't been the same who is going to pass him the puck?

the point of signing Stamkos would be to replace Pasha after next year. Which means he would be able to play his favorite positions ..center and do some defensive work

Really? By your own admission then Anze Kopitar and Patrice Bergeron are better than Toews and better than Stamkos 

 

Both Kopitar and Bergeron have MORE points than Stamkos and Toews. And extremely good defensively (look at the selke candidates)

 

So the second best player must be either Kopitar and Bergeron. Not Stamkos. Nor Toews.

 

Which goes back to the original point.. Is Stamkos really worth $10? Will Holland even think he's worth throwing that much towards?

 

Because Kopitar just signed an extension worth $10 per year and is better than Stamkos (by your logic). 




#2661199 Ken Campbell predicts Stamkos to Detroit blockbuster

Posted by kickazz on 20 March 2016 - 05:24 PM

 

By that logic Yzerman was worse in 97 and 98 than he was before Bowman got there because his scoring dropped off.  Stamkos is a more complete player now than he was when he was up in the top in 3 scoring every year.

To be honest Stamkos actually has significantly declined this year. 

 

His point total last year was 72 (already much lower than his previous years bests)  and is 58 this year with only 10 games left. He scored 43 goals last year and is at 33 this year.

 

His puck possession has dropped aka his corsi/fenwick. 

 

So not only has he fallen off offensively but also in terms of his possession (which people like Buppy and Kipwinger consider a big part of defense). 

 

Grit, faceoff, Takeaway/Giveaway ratio, shot blocking is all still similar to last year




#2660409 3/15 GDT : Red Wings at Philadelphia Flyers, 7:30 ET

Posted by joesuffP on 16 March 2016 - 09:39 AM

 
There won't be one.  That's every fanboy's fantasy (mine included).  We never houseclean, despite being mediocre for several seasons now.  If you think missing the playoffs will prompt Ilitch to fire people or for Holland to change his ways, then we'll have to disagree.    

 
LOL.  Say what?  
 
We have no talent on defense and have guys playing on the top two lines who are bottom tier forwards.  


The defense is awful but this forward group can score and is better than last year. We added a 20 goal scorer out of thin air and the offensive numbers are still in the toilet


#2659465 3/13 GDT : Toronto Maple Leafs at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by marcaractac on 13 March 2016 - 08:48 PM

Stack the pp and have the one unit play the entire 2 minutes. 




#2659136 3/12 GDT : New York Rangers at Red Wings, 2:00 EST

Posted by e_prime on 12 March 2016 - 10:46 PM

 

Gotta jump in here lol

 

If you want to watch any sporting event at a later time, avoid social media and phones at all cost. Don't blame facebook  :innocent:

 

:lol: I know how to avoid spoilers.  I didn't even look at my feed.  It was seriously right under the "UPDATE YOUR STATUS" field.  "RED WINGS BEAT RANGERS.  Tell your followers how you feel."  Doop-de-doop-de-doo. 

Here's how I feel FaceBook:  Don't tell me what you think I might want to know. You don't know me!  /end rant.

...and yes!  I AM STILL GOING TO WATCH IT.




#2658735 Wings Vs Leafs Outdoor Game confirmed, 2017

Posted by chaps80 on 11 March 2016 - 01:05 AM

I might go as well. Only 4 hours from Toronto. Once tickets go on sale i'll see if it's worth it or not.




#2652023 2/10 GDT : Ottawa Senators at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by chaps80 on 10 February 2016 - 10:01 PM

 

Marchenko played tonight.

 

I agree Kindl doesn't have a future here but he's looked good in his most recent stint. With Green and Kronwall out hes been pretty good in an offensive position, where I think he needs to play

 

Looks like Dekeyser might be out for a bit, which is horrible. Thats our top 3D with Kron and Green and arguably our best in Deke. Will be interesting to see Jensen get a shot though

 

Yeah, i just checked the rosters again, didn't see Marchenko in there at first glance. Ya, I guess Kindl's experience comes in good right now with the injuries, but it would be nice to see other guys get a shot. Will Kindl have to clear waivers again now if he's sent down again? If DD is out, that's indeed very bad news. Green is day to day though..hopefully he's not out too long. Gotta keep playing though regardless, so it'd be nice to see one of the young guys step up.




#2641535 Goalie Battle

Posted by Son of a Wing on 07 December 2015 - 03:01 PM

The difference is Varlamov was a 23yr old RFA and Schneider was a 26yr old on a good contract.

 

Howard is 31 and has a big contract.  

 

Those guys had their best years ahead of them.  We've probably seen the best Howard has to offer.

 

He's just not the same value as those guys.  Especially in a cap system.


I could see a late 1st or a couple 2nd rounders for Howard at most.

 

Plus we'd probably have to either take salary back or retain some.

 

It could be an expiring UFAs salary, but there's no way we're dumping that 5mil with nothing coming back.


Regardless it's an offseason deal if it happens at all.