Posted by kipwinger
on 18 December 2014 - 04:11 PM
yeah your right, but both factors obviously come into play when teams are handing out contracts they can't afford.
That's the point, they could afford them (because the government was giving them money). Once the government could no longer subsidize the league, teams had to rely on their profit margins, and they couldn't. But it would be noted that the teams who signed NHL talent to big contracts are NOT the ones that are folding. CSKA Moscow (Radulov) and SKA St. Petersburg (Kovalchuk) are pretty healthy franchises. It's the small market, periphery, teams that can't pay the bills. And no matter what contracts they've got on the books, those teams were going to sink because they don't make enough money to cover costs.
Posted by kipwinger
on 17 December 2014 - 01:43 PM
The Tyler Seguin trade is the closest possible comparable to a Hall trade (considering their ages, career stats, draft pedigree, etc.). Seguin, along with Peverly and Ryan Button were traded for Loui Eriksson, The Good Smith, Matt Fraser, and Joe Morrow.
So Boston got a 20+ goal (70 pt.) winger, an up and coming roster player, a bottom sixer, and a pretty good prospect for a Seguin, a journeyman defenseman, and a third rate prospect.
As such, I'd say if you wanted Hall you'd be looking at giving up Nyquist, Jurco/Sheahan, plus a middling prospect. They wouldn't need Pulkkinen too, and they wouldn't need a pick.
If that's the asking price I say "no thanks". Hall is a REALLY good winger, but I wouldn't want to lose the center depth (Sheahan) since we're thin on the ground. I'd do that package for Seguin, but not Hall.
add in jurco/nyquist, remove kindl with smith/dekeyser and replace andy with helm and that might be enough.
I still don't think that'd get him.
I was joking.
But I think if they're going to actually trade him it'll either be for way too Much, or he really is uncoachable and they trade him for the highest offer.
Posted by krsmith17
on 20 November 2014 - 03:44 PM
Why are people comparing Nestrasil to Cleary? Cleary isn't the reason Nestrasil got exposed and claimed on waivers. Cleary wasn't going to be waived, nor should he have been. Cleary brings so much more than what he shows on the ice to this team, the experience and leadership he provides, on and off the ice, can't just be replaced, and certainly not by a 23 year old kid. If not Nestrasil, Jurco would have been sent down, and maybe in hindsight that would have been the better choice. But where is all of this upside that everyone sees in Nestrasil? I just don't get it. He was a body on the ice for 13 games, a big body sure, but that's about it. He could barely crack the Grand Rapids line up last season and to be honest should have never cracked our lineup this season. It would have been nice to see him clear and provide some support down in Grand Rapids this year but in reality he probably never would have cracked the Wings lineup on a full time basis, not this year, not next year, not ever. We have a ton of more skilled guys knocking on the door, he will not be missed. We even have a player that we signed in the offseason who is similar in stature but much more skilled, in Tomas Nosek. Good luck in Carolina Nestrasil, unfortunately you will probably end up down in Charlotte after 30 days...
Yeah, I guess I was unclear what I meant. My post does say I think it'll be LIds, Feds, Pronger - and that'll be deserving. I've just always hated Pronger - I kind of just meant anyone else instead of that guy. There's no way the Kariya should actually be there ahead of Pronger. That fact that you guys got up in arms shows that there's no real question about this class, though.
I did really like Kariya's character as a player, though - great speed, vision. But his career was messed up by concussions and he played on some pretty bad teams.
Posted by Euro_Twins
on 02 November 2014 - 09:51 AM
I agree with you, but we were all thinking the same thing last season. I thought he was a product of lucky bounces last year but hes proven to be EXTREMELY effective on capitalizing on his chances.
Agreed. But still, no matter how effective he may be, 32% is unlikely to continue. He's also on pace for 57 goals. I can see him ending up with 30-40, which would still be amazing, we haven't had that since 08/09. Dats and z are racking up points too, so we have three guys 4 if you include Abby, which may be premature that could potentially get us 70+ points and lots and lots of goals, if tats, sheahan and jurco can get going too, we could be very dangerous.