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Yes Sammy did score 30 goals 2 SEASONS AGO while playing with thef****** Sedins. He will never achieve that again in his career and especially not on this team. Give it up, Samuelsson is not what this team needs

Yes, and Hudler has NEVER scored 30 goals - with anybody.  And I never said Samuelsson is what this team needs, did I?  Does anyone actually read posts around here?

The guy was making an argument that Hudler was leagues better than Samuelsson ever thought about being.  I disagree with that line of thinking so I used some statistics to make the other side of the argument, much more convincingly than he did, in my opinion.

I didn't say Samuelsson was the best thing since sliced bread. Or that he was what this team needs.  Or that we should trade for him.  OR that he is better than Hudler.  I said - Samuelsson and Hudler are different types of players and I was making the argument that they are of comparable value and skill level.  Hudler is a better playmaker and is younger.  Samuelsson is bigger, a better defender and (I think) has a better shot than Hudler.  I think that 'Jiri Hudler is WAY better than Mikael Samuelsson' is a false statement.

I disagree with your mplications! Lol. Well, Hudler is younger and you may have used that argument  about Florida 5 years ago, the current team is LEADING their division. The idea that you named Sammy as a sniper is a bit of a stretch, unless taking out the logo gets points.
Think what you want but I think Hudler offers more to this team than Sammy does and I still say HUDLER> SAMMUELSON

Look at the standings again.  Winnipeg is currently LEADING what is a race between three mediocre-at-best teams to win by far the worst division in the league.  

I didn't say anything about their record, though, or where they sit in the standings.  I was referring to team offense.  You were using this season's statistics to support your implication that Hudler and Samuelsson don't belong in the same conversation.  I pointed out that their ppg for the season is actually pretty close AND that Hudler plays on a much better offensive team.  I gave you the goal amounts... but maybe this will clear my point up for you - Detroit is currently 4th in the league in goal scoring, and Florida is 26th.  So, the points would be fewer and further between for Sammy than they would for Hudler because Hudler's team scores much more often.

Let's go back to last year when Samuelsson was also on a team with a good offense....

Hudler - 73 GP 10 G 27 A -7

Samuelsson - 75 GP 18 G 32 A +8

Sammy scored 30 goals the year before that.  Hudler's career high is 23.

Kind of makes the argument the other way... but the stats from those seasons aren't really the whole story, are they?  Neither are the stats from this season.  

As for the use of the word 'sniper'.... I didn't say he was Brett Hull.  I was talking about his style of play.  You said Hudler was a better playmaker - I agree, but Samuelsson is not a playmaker.  I would also probably agree with you that Hudler offers more to this team that Samuelsson and that, at this point, "Hudler > Samuelsson"... probably mostly because of the age difference.  All I am saying is that it is not that clear cut who is better.  It seems to me that you just jumped on the 'I hate Sammy' bandwagon and now you are just regurgitating the Sammy bashing that was commonplace on LGW from 2005-09.  Sammy and Hudler each have advantages over the other.  They are different types of players.  I like both of them

"Sharks May overcome your streak. Otherwise it would be a great game."

As a fellow shark, and hockey fan, I'd like to bid you a good luck to your next game. All I know is that your streak must end. It will eventually, I do not know if it would be by the sharks, but regardless, I shall take pleasure in it. Regardless of what team, you guys are setting yourselves for a great sigh. A long one.

Anyhow, win or lose, It'll be a hell of a game to watch.

BUT....

If the sharks break your famous NHL record of yours.... oh lord, your will never heard the end of the sharkie fans.... lol.


With regards, and with great anticipation of tmw's game,

-imdw

Is it just me, or does the style of writing here remind anyone else of those emails that you'll get randomly from someone in 'another country' giving you a 'lucrative' offer?

Something like - 'if only you would give them you bank account information, they would send this sum of money to you so you can help them out of their terrible situation and THEN, of course, you get to keep some of the money...'

Anyway, it is entirely possible that the Sharks will win.  Either way, though, if anyone is laughing at the Red Wings... they need to take a closer look at the standings and then promptly shut their mouths.

What a horrible piss-poor disgrace of a performance.

Every player that played in a Detroit jersey tonight needs to be hanging their heads in shame.

Don Cherry is a clown.  His thoughts and opinions are as predictable as the sun rising and I put no stock in anything he says simply because he said it.

I don't think anyone expects Jody Shelley to put up points on a regular basis. If he was a "horrible hockey player" and had no value to the team, he wouldn't have a roster spot. I think it is a bad time for Dubinsky to be calling people bad hockey players, seeing as he has scored just 10 points in 20 games this season. Additionally, he's going to be expected to back up his big mouth in the upcoming meetings with Philadelphia, and i don't believe he will step up, and I really like Dubinsky and view him as a player that has a good mind for the game. Not only will he have Shelley after him, Zac Rinaldo will be on his back, as well. Unfortunately, Brandon Prust will likely have to fight all of his battles. Not like he isn't used to it, he fights all of Avery's battles, too.

I don't think anyone expects Brandon Dubinsky to fight on a regular basis.  If he were a "weasel" and had no value to the team, he wouldn't have a roster spot.  I think it is a bad time for Shelley to be calling people weasels, seeing as he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with the puck, let alone the net.  Additionally, if he were expected to back up his big mouth in the upcoming meetings with New York with anything other than fighting, he won't be able to... because he IS a terrible hockey player.  I don't like Shelley and I view him as a player that has no mind for the game and is only there to fight, which is all he is capable of doing on the ice.  Unfortunately, Claude Giroux, Danny Briere and Scott Hartnell will have to score all of his points for him.  Not like they aren't used to it, they score all of Zac Rinaldo's points for him too.

No offense or anything, I like a lot of your posts... just trying to show the opposite perspective from which I view this situation.

Don't bring up the past, live in the present.

Oh I see... only look at less than 25% of one season, but completely ingnore the previous full regular seasons and playoffs.  That seems logical.

Or perhaps you actually mean "Don't bring up things that don't support my statement.  Only look at what I want you to."  Sorry, I'm not going to do that.

I know it may seem difficult, but if you could remember WAY in the distant past to last season.  Detroit won the Central Division, beating Chicago - AND they scored more goals than Chicago.  This happened in a season when the top six forwards for both teams were almost identical to what they are THIS season.

The sky is falling!

Noticing that the BJs are 0-3 to start the season, and going 0-16 on the PP. What the problem here? I havent been able to watch them at all.

I suspected they would have a breakout season, and possibly even put up a fight for the central division crown now that they have Carter and Wizzy (still suspended i know) on top of Nash and Mason. Any body have any input?

Well, maybe it is some small consolation to Columbus that they aren't alone on the starting 0 for 16 on the power play part.

I mean, are you serious? You do know that hockey has seen fighting since the birth of its existence, right? It IS the game. Besides, whether there is fighting or not, there will always be 20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play so you don't have to worry.

You know that fighting has nothing to do with these players deaths, right? I mean, you know that fighting has existed in hockey for more than 5 years ago and that there haven't been any issues like this before? But then maybe you'll site Proberts premature death. But then i'll just retort with his destructive life style and cocain addiction - so don't bother.

No.  It isn't.  The '20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play' (per period) is the game.  

And yes, we all realize that fighting has been around in hockey for a long time.  That's why I have to hear my dad give me the old 'I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out' joke every time I bring the game up.  Fighting is fewer and farther between than it used to be, and while I do not think that fighting should be disposed of from hockey or anything like that.... but I do think that the changes we've seen as far as fighting goes is for the better.

I enjoy a good fight when it IS part of the game.  I enjoyed the Wings in the 90s as much as anyone else.  I loved Shanahan and McCarty, but they were hockey players who could fight.  I do not like players who fight just to fight for no real reason and that is basically their sole purpose - guys who wouldn't be playing otherwise.... fighters who play hockey.  If you seriously think fighting IS the game - go watch UFC or something.

If that's a shot about signing Brunnstrom i agree. I thought we shouldn't have signed him and instead should have played Nyquist.

As for my comment earlier, it seems every time some scrub gets waived , but fights, the fight slappies want Holland to pick him up even though he is absolute garbage. Case in point, this thread.




A. This thread.

B. Not true in the slightest. There are plenty of guys that I like that also fight.

C. I do, I even point it out earlier in the thread. Maybe you should read the entire thread before trying to call me out

Mmm... I see what yoiu're saying with Nyquist and I wouldn't have been upset if it was his roster spot instead of Brunnstrom's, but I like the decision that was made there.  I say keep as many assets as you can.  Giving Brunnstrom a spot gives us another potential asset for the future - some have said they see him as a potential replacement for Holmstrom, etc.  I think Nyquist is still too small - Brunnstrom as a full size NHL player.  And, Nyquist will benefit more, I believe from playing all the time in GR instead of rotating games and plkaying 10-12 minutes when he does play, as Brunnstrom will.  The Wings will lose a few players next year and Brunnstrom and Nyquist can potentially both step in and fill full-time roles at that time.  Just my thoughts.

Also, totally agree with the bottom part of your post.  Well, I can't speak to the parts about you specifically, but I just do not understand the pro-enforcer faction on this board.  It seems as though they all want a fighter at all costs and it doesn;t really matter which one or if he even knows how to skate.  It's like they all really love fighting and find hockey boring without it, but they don't want to say that.  So, they make all these hollow arguments to justify wanting this goon or that goon without revealing that they just want a fighter because they fight - end of discussion - no other reason.  I mean, a guy that drops the gloves becomes available.... you can bet that there will be a thread with his name on it on LGW within the hour, doesn't matter who it is or what else he can do, if anything.  Somebody call Brent Severyn - we need him on this team.

i think this is what you're looking for:

You said that here.

Obviously, you didn't say it verbatim, but you clearly were implying 'Cooke=Abdelkader' or something similar with this post.

But then, you already knew that....as did anyone else with a fully functioning brain.

See - I didn't actually say in the line above that you have a full functioning brain, but I implied it.  

There's no need to play dumb.  Go ahead and stand up for the point you are making.  I don't agree with it and neither would most, I would imagine.  But, you're entitled to your opinion, so don't be fickle and back off from it.

Unless 'Bring Back the Bruise Brothers' is right and your whole purpose in posting was to stir up trouble.

I agree with everything that has been said.  Lidstrom is a special player.  He is and has been one of the very best, if not THE very best defenseman ever.  There clearly is evidence that he does belong in that group.  And I do not think that anyone would be able to legitimately argue if this were to occur.  All of that said, I don't believe this will happen either.  The reason that I think this is that Nicklas Lidstrom was not born in Canada, as we can all see that the entirety of the players who have received that distinct honor were.  I think that the HHOF will keep this exclusive club exclusively Canadian.  I will, however, be extremely pleased if I am surprised by their decision and they choose to waive the waiting period for him.

Ok. Let's be realistic when I said 40 points. Maybe I was thinking more like 20 goals and 20 assists compared to his 10 goals and 27 assists. Still the same number basically I know but like everyone or myself thought he would/should have put the puck in the net more. Maybe 50-60 points is more realistic I don't know. Funny thing is I don't really remember him having that many assists. Still his cap hit isn't worth it. He's small, weak with the puck, gets knocked around all over the ice. I mean obviously his trade value isn't worth much right now. I don't mind him except for the fact that he jumped ship to the KHL when we needed him and then said "oh" I think I'll come back now and play in NHL.

Yeah, I get it.... and I think saying '20 goals' or '50-60 points' as you said, would be a better bar to set.  I guess the KHL thing didn't really bother me as much as it did some others.  Anyway, I'm trying to look at it more positively.  Let's face it, Hudler is probably going to be on this roster next season.  There IS reason to believe that he could return to 07-08 form this coming year and score your 20 goals and 50-60 points.  As I said, no KHL adjustment period, etc.  If he does that, then great - everyone will be happy to be surpised (since it seems that everyone is of the mind that he will go downhill from last year instead of up, considering all of the negative Hudler talk).  If he doesn't... well, it's only for one more year at the $2.875 million.  Was I disappointed in his play last year?  Definitely.  But, this switching back and forth from NHL to KHL is a relatively new deal.  I feel like that was a huge part of the reason for his dropoff.  He wasn't any smaller or weaker in 07-08 when everyone was happy with his production.  I believe that he deserves the chance to rebound to that form this season, and that he deserves our support in attempting to do so.

You know if we keep Huds and he actually gets around 40 points this season I'm going to bite my tongue. Thing is I highly doubt Kenny is re-signing him next off-season.

Really?  Around 40 points is where you're setting the bar for tongue biting?  I would say be prepared to bite your tongue, then.  That's a bit of a exaggeration.  Everyone was all disappointed with last season and he scored 37 points.  I would say that qualifies as 'around 40 points' - and everyone seems to be in agreement that it was less than expected.  This year he won't be dealing with the KHL transition, etc....plus, no Draper or Modano so he may not sit as many games.  If he had played a few more games last year, he would have hit 40.  He hit 40 in 07-08, not to mention the 57 in 08-09.  I understand the disappointment with the output vs. the $ for Hudler, but let's be realistic.