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#2428624 Question about Buying out Samuelsson

Posted by Guest on 07 July 2013 - 07:12 PM

Let's go over this one more time. (hopefully)

1. The compliance buyout period for this offseason is OVER. He can not be bought out unless it's a regular buyout which will give no cap relief. Rumor is that he balked at the Wings suggestion he be bought out and threatened to challenge it based on the fact he was injured. (There are apparently guidelines that an injured player cannot be bought out.) Do not have links or facts on this, it is only speculation.

2. Though Samuelsson has claimed injury, it is not a long term chronic injury and he would also likely challenge a LTIR. He has stated publicly that his injury does not require surgery, and the league is closely watching any attempts to circumvent the salary cap. Not a likely scenario, but possible.

3. He is in the second year of a 2 year, 3 million dollar contract that contains a no trade clause. So unless he waives that, trading him is also not an option.

4. Depending on whether it is a NTC or a NMC (No movement) determines whether he can be optioned to GR. This would only free up a roster spot, not give cap space relief.

I hope this finally clears things up.

#2424127 2013 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

Posted by Jaymister on 30 June 2013 - 06:15 PM

Apparently we traded the 18th overall pick to sjs, but what did we get for that?

#2422952 1 Hour-Long Q&A with Ken Holland & Tom Wilson *Video

Posted by FlashyG on 27 June 2013 - 10:22 PM

Notes courtesy (Joe89 of HFboards)


-Mentions Glendening in Grand Rapids success like he's our prospect.
-Thinks Howard can be a top6-8 goalie during the course of his contract.
-Helm feeling better, will skate at development camp.
-Wants to keep Kindl, says due for a raise.
-"If you got 10 good prospects, 6 will make it".
-Backman "going to camp"(I suppose development), then back to Sweden for another year before "turning pro".
-Says the veterans on the team are excited about moving to the East, play some new opponents. 
-Said multiple times they're disappointed with losing to Chicago even if it was a learning experience.
-Says that both sides probably could've gone longer term with Pavel, but that both were happy with another four years(in total). Hopes for one year extensions afterwards, says Pavel wouldn't ever play anywhere else in the NHL.
-Thinks true cup contenders are a thing of the past.
-Asked if Howard/Mrazek might turn into a Luongo/Schneider, Quick/Bernier etc. scenario. Says they have the option to play him another three years in the American league without worrying about waivers. At 21 years of age, they need him to play 60 games, not 15. Says next year is AHL for sure as Gus is signed, and then make a decision next summer if it's time to bring him up. Says he will play som pre-season games in the fall.
-Would love to get a legitimate top pairing/top3 defenseman, will make room if needed. 
-DeKeyser, Nyquist, Tatar, Andersson, Lashoff are expected on the team from the Griffins. 

-confirmed HBO 24/7.

#2422171 Lidstrom or Orr

Posted by kipwinger on 25 June 2013 - 12:08 PM


On that logic, Gretzky was overrated too.  Score 237 points against Price, Kiprusoff or Lundqvist.  Couldn't do it.


Flawed logic.  Orr wouldn't score 150 points in today's league, but I firmly believe he'd lead defensemen in scoring easily.  If he was that far advanced in his era and that good at reading the game, with today's training and equipment, he'd be ahead of this generation of players as well.   


Once again, how come nobody else scored that many points back then on defense?  Oh yeah, that's right, because Larry Robinson, Brad Park, Denis Potvin and others were all overrated.   :rolleyes:     And I could also mention others who played in the 80's, when goalies were even worse and scoring was at its highest.  


I agree, he was better than any other defenseman in his era.  He was the very first "offensive defenseman".  That's the reason he scored so much...because he tried to do it.  In those days all defensemen were stay-at-home.  That's how they played the game.  Bobby revolutionized that.  HOWEVER, saying that he's the best of his age doesn't then also mean that he's the best ever.  Bobby could never do that against today's competition because everybody does it now, and therefore teams plan for it.  Lidstrom would score just as many points, no matter what era, because he scored them classically.  Point shots and assists.  He was just SUPER good at it.  But technically speaking he didn't score in a different way than McInnis, Iafrate, etc. etc. etc. 


I compare the Bruins with Orr to Bill Walsh's 49ers and their "west coast offense".  They tore it up because nobody had seen it or figured it out yet.  However, eventually everybody caught up.  So now, when a team running a west coast offense puts up gaudy numbers (though still less than the 49ers), it's actually more impressive because it's not succeeding because it's new, it's succeeding because it's executed well. 

#2419106 Rules regarding salary

Posted by Motown4013 on 10 June 2013 - 07:46 PM

I think it should be reversed......throw the moon at Dats to stay in Detroit and a superstar UFA gets paid a million dollars to play with the guy. WIN WIN!!!

#2417198 2013 Detroit Red Wings Eulogy

Posted by kipwinger on 02 June 2013 - 08:17 PM

I liked this one a lot.  Most of it is spot on.  If I had a nickel for every "How many cups", "Cleary and Abby in the top six", or "Bettman wants us to lose" comment I've read (on this forum alone) I'd be a rich man.  What's the difference between us saying it to or about each other and someone else doing it?  Good satire is funny because there's an element of truth to it.  We do have a comparatively s***ty top six.  Many Wings fans are bangwagoners from the glory days of the nineties, and we do go on and on about conspiracies.  But in the end those are all relatively transient and therefore insignificant aspects of an otherwise storied franchise.


Who cares, just laugh it off.  A far more damning criticism of the Detroit Red Wings would be if their fans became humorless d*cks just because they didn't win the Cup ever year.  Then we'd truly be the Yankees of hockey. 

#2409515 WCSF Game 4 GDT- Blackhawks 0 @ Red Wings 2 - (DET leads series 3-1)

Posted by Ram on 23 May 2013 - 10:26 AM

Let's go Wings!!!!

#2408683 WCSF Game 3 GDT - Blackhawks 1 @ Red Wings 3 - (DET leads series 2-1)

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 20 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

We went toe to toe with them and came up big.


I guess you could say...





We went Toews to Toews with them.



#2398727 WCQF Game 4 GDT : Ducks 2 @ Red Wings 3 (OT) - (Series tied, 2-2)

Posted by Guest on 07 May 2013 - 01:30 AM


I was there too!

I have never heard the Joe that electric in all my years of attending games.  I wish I could watch the game again on TV to see how much of our screaming translated to FSN or NBC.  I cannot speak at all right now with how hoarse I am.  What a night!


It was loud on TV.

#2396974 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 05 May 2013 - 06:17 PM

+1,000,000 to the first one to burn their Shanny jersey and post it on youtube....


You really don't want me to do that.  My Shanny jersey has the highest win percentage out of all my jerseys...

#2390759 4/27 GDT - Red Wings 3 @ Stars 0

Posted by Guest on 27 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

That's cause droids don't rip your arms out of their sockets when they lose. Zetterbacas are known to do that.

#2385226 Playoff race vs. race for #1 pick.

Posted by Son of a Wing on 15 April 2013 - 10:31 PM

Playoffs are ALL that matter. Anything can happen.


To sacrifice our winning culture for a 1% chance at drafting a better player is well....ridiculous.


People underestimate the effect the playoffs can have on our young players. We currently have 9 players on our roster who have never played in an NHL playoff game.

#2380687 Concerned - we might not make it in to the playoffs

Posted by Serratoni on 05 April 2013 - 09:27 AM

Rooting for one's team to lose says more about the fan than the team.

#2377439 Brunner hasn't hit the wall. He has slammed into it.

Posted by luvmnger on 31 March 2013 - 05:45 PM

1. i think he has been conditioned by the "no hit league" for too long.


2. the NHL has got a look at him and they play him close.


3. top it off with a dose of too many games in close quarters,and team lacking desire...


= "you get what we got here today, i dont like it any more than you like it"


off season conditioning...he will be up for it next year.

#2372909 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by Wings_Toledo on 24 March 2013 - 12:16 PM



Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie)


With Western Michigan out of NCAA playoffs, sought-after UFA D Dan DeKeyser will be in Toronto Tuesday to meet with advisors/field offfers.


So, we won't know until at least Tuesday, it seems.