A lot of us were definitely thinking those things during 2008 and before, and also being raging dicks about it to our friends in different states, but there's always people who freak out at the smallest things, ie goalie controversy, wings aren't tough enough to last four rounds in the playoffs, too many soft, skilled Euros, the refs and Bettman will do whatever it takes to keep the Wings from winning, Holland didn't make a big move at the deadline and the Pens/Chicago and yadda yadda got whoever which puts them over the top, the Wings are too old, blah blah blah blah. Those voices were and probably still are the minority, but they're also definitely the loudest.
Well it's a good thing we don't have anyone like that now.
I think the issue is that some people act like the Legwand deal represents Holland's career personified. Like the guy can't be trusted to make another trade or run his team. That's the issue for me anyway. There weren't nearly as many theads and posts praising Holland in 08 as there have been ones bashing him this summer and so far this fall. I know it's the nature of sports and sports fans, but I grow weary.
Case in point.
Well I wasn't on the forum in 08, but I suspect that there weren't too many people complaining about anything that season. So I'd be really shocked if there were a bunch of Holland bashing threads back then. In general my guess is that when the team is bad, people complain. And when the team is good, they praise...Mike Babcock.
You would be wrong. 2007-8 was one long bitchfest, mainly about how the team was too soft to compete in the playoffs. When people weren't bitching about the lack of fighters, there were endless threads about our sucktacular goaltending as Hasek and Osgood fanboys took turns in deriding the other goaltender as an over the hill fruitcake, or as never good enough in the first place.
The month of February saw us decimated by injuries, with a 1st pairing of Lilja-Lebda. Nevertheless, the associated slump in results was proof positive for all the Chicken Lickens that the team was not good enough to win the cup.
Trade deadline day was an orgy of Holland hate. The announcement of the Stuart trade, coming after the deadline had passed, meant that the outright fury was only quelled down to a sullen, grudging "OK , I guess that'll do", but prior to that not even the Cleary re-signing generated so much HOLLAND YOU SUCK!!!!
Being 3-0 up against the Stars and them coming back to 3-2 was further proof positive that this team wasn't good enough to win the cup.
Not to mention, we had Eva Unit Zero and his always entertaining mental gymnastics bemoaning the under utilisation of Jiri Hudler, and how Hudler was a better player than Messier etc etc, if only we used Hudler more.....
Finally, we had Mindfly. If you weren't here for it, it would be hard for you to understand just how overwhelmingly negative he was. Every loss, every goal against, every shot against, every icing, every lost faceoff was evidence of what a truly terrible team we had, how Holland should be fired, and the whole team traded for prospects and picks. After every loss he would pop up, preaching his gospel of doom and gloom. Thankfully we won a lot that year. I think us winning game 6 in Pittsburgh was probably the worst night of his life.
Posted by kipwinger
on 25 September 2014 - 11:03 AM
Yes, and this is because the league will protect the dirty players. Scrap the instigator rule and leave the policing to the players. If a guy is willing to face the music after running a star then so be it, I agree there's no stopping them, but at least dont protect these clowns. Let there be another Lemieux beatdown. I bet more than a few players would think twice and even change their game. Frankly, it cannot get worse than the current state.
There are "Lemieux" beatdowns all the time. Not a year goes by that there isn't some big line brawl. Look up line brawl on youtube and you'll find a TON of them. And here's the funny part, they usually take place between the same teams. Buffalo, Boston, Philly, Toronto. Nobody is using them to keep other teams honest. They're doing it because they're the types of teams built to do it. Last year Toronto and Buffalo had a line brawl because John Scott tried to fight Kessel. And Buffalo acquired John Scott because the year before that Lucic ran over top of Ryan Miller. This crap just perpetuates itself.
So initially the idea was you either donated money to ALS research organizations, or you poured a bucket of water on your head. I love how this is catching like wild-fire, but I hope some of these people are sending a check in the mail, too.
I just don't really understand why he gets as much criticism as he does for what are usually very minor things.
I do. People just don't like to admit it.
I am in no way saying that the people who dislike him here at LGW do so for race-related reasons, but the reality is that prejudice is, unfortunately, alive and well within the hockey community. Does he have a bit of moxie? Sure. But if he were a white Canadian *some* people wouldn't look twice at his actions or have a problem with his "attitude." I don't think there is anything over the top about P.K.'s actions, and he is a young kid who will continue to mature.
Mods, feel free to delete if you think this will stir s*** or incite politics discussions, but I felt it needed to be said.
This is a busy time of year in terms of trades/signings/buyouts and there's a lot of rumor and speculation that goes with that. A proper source and link separates fact from fiction. Threads without that information will be locked. It takes two seconds to copy and paste a link.
With good reason. Some of those looked mighty close to undercutting people, clipping knees, and there's no place in hockey for crushing someone into the boards when they're 4-6 feet away from the side- especially the bench. That's asking for some serious head/neck/face injuries. Why don't we see them anymore? Because we now know that hits like that lead to PERMANENT and DETERIORATING brain disorders.
I get as pumped up as the next guy when I see a crushing hit, but you know what? That's not my brother/father/friend who, thirty years from now, will have a hard time writing his name or remembering mine because of hits like that.