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#2684322 Fox Sports DET to stream DRW games online

Posted by Echolalia on 01 August 2016 - 08:28 PM

IP reroute perhaps?


I mean there are options, such as proxies and whatnot.  They just aren't kosher.  But more to the point, I think that here in 2016 convenient and legal options for folks to watch games regardless of whether they're in Texas, Australia, or Michigan should be available and independent of a cable or satellite subscription.

#2684138 Red Wings All-Bust Roster

Posted by Echolalia on 28 July 2016 - 03:42 PM

I was at the Anaheim game where Brunner put in the game winner. It was the same game "You got Kronwalled" was born as well as "Todd Bertuzzi"
Easily the best game of hockey I've been to.

#2683920 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by Echolalia on 26 July 2016 - 09:01 AM

goddam holland signing everyone to long term contracts but we like our team amirite??


jk I like it.  Dekeyser's a solid player.

#2683659 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 22 July 2016 - 05:39 PM

We need Helm. His contract is a bit high but let's not judge the player based on his salary cap over his on-ice contributions. Particularly if this season he's utilized on the PK and for his speed and chaos, and not as a playmaker or goal scorer.

#2683643 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by Echolalia on 22 July 2016 - 01:35 PM

Lol this article is meaningless. Let's ask a very small sample size some questions about every team, most of which they're inequipped to answer, and then draw conclusions from this data. How does this s*** get published? I'm done with this thread lol

#2683579 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by Echolalia on 21 July 2016 - 12:55 PM

The biggest issue I think is our lack of franchise players. Datsyuk is done. Kronwall and Zetterberg are shells of their former selves and should probably be solid complimentary pieces at his stage in their careers instead of heavy lifters. We have potentially Larkin and potentially Mrazek coming in to fill big roles, but even with their early promise they're both still big "IFs" and it still puts us down one franchise defensman and one franchise forward. Those types don't make it to free agency. They're very rarely traded. And unless you have a top 3 overall pick they're tough to pluck out of the sea of mediocrity that is the draft. Statistically our best bet is unfortunately probably to hope for finding a star in the draft. Who was the last franchise guy to make it to free agency? Praise and Suter? And even when that rare moment happened you're still competing with a handful of other teams for these type of players. Trading a franchise guy has become less common since parity redistributed the odds of success in the league. Why should a bottom-feeder drop their 1st line center for prospects and picks if they're only 4 points out of a playoffs spot in February? How often does that happen these days? Subban was traded. But he was traded for Weber.
I mean if I was GM I'm not sure my main strategy would be much different from Holland's. I wouldn't necessarily be locking up all this bottom-six talent, but I think my main focus for landing a franchise player would continue to be in the draft, and just keep vigilant on those rare moments if and when a big fish becomes available in the league.

#2683577 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by Echolalia on 21 July 2016 - 12:40 PM

Agreed with the bold but we've been progressively getting worse and locking much of the same roster. Which is why I'm not surprised at the rating. Even the most level headed fans are wondering why certain things are going on. You know it's true too. 

We like our team. 

I mean I agree. I'm not happy with where they're at and thing more needs to be done to bring in players we lack. But I feel like naming more than nine teams in worse shape than us isn't remotely far fetched. And I also hate the "we're happy to make the first round and call it a year" argument. Especially if it's followed by some form of "Wings just need to miss the playoffs that will fix everything", (which admittedly didn't happen in this thread, but has def been occurring more frequently than it should and I'm generally in a bad mood right now anyway so I'm going to ***** about whatever I want).

#2683574 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by Echolalia on 21 July 2016 - 12:30 PM

Ive never been able to understand this whole "content to make the playoffs and fold" argument. I don't think anyone is content just making the playoffs. The players have all been vocal about it, it diminishes Holland's reputation, and the Illitches get less income from postseason revenue. Everyone's best interest is going as deep in the playoffs as possible. Holland hasn't had the best success over the past decade at getting our team to take that next step, but treading water while we continue to look for the right fit is a hell of a lot better than drowning, which seems to be what at least a few folks would rather see. I don't know if there's this mindset that missing the playoffs would someone free the shackles from management's arms and allow them to improve the team, like its somehow not possible to improve while still making the playoffs, but trying to make logic of it makes my brain sad.
In any event, I'm surprised the rating is that low. To say that there are only nine teams managed worse than the Wings seems like our fan base is made up of a bunch of prima donnas. Actually on second thought maybe that rating is right where I should expect it.

#2683476 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 19 July 2016 - 12:06 PM

The PK under Babcock was fine up until 2011 or so. Things started changing to more passive/ "shot block to save a goal" bullcrap once we started transitioning from Datsyuk/Zetterberg to Miller, Eaves, then Glendening. It's fine, we didn't have anyone to fill in for D and Z's role. But now with Larkin, AA, and Helm signed for 5 years, there is absolutely no excuse not to use capable speedy, skilled players on the PK. 
One thing I liked about Draper more than Glendening/Miller was not only was Draper a good defensive 3rd/4th liner but the guy knew how to drive offense and often times converted his PK time into offensive opportunities. His 21 shorthanded goals and Selke trophy as a damn 4th liner (unheard of) speaks for itself. 

Despite all the flak he gets (and likely myself too because I'm bringing it up) but Darren Helm was that guy in the first half of his career. He would get short handed breakaways on a regular basis. Might not convert on most of them, but at the very least if you're skating the puck down into the other zone I would call that effective penalty killing. I am 100% on board with Helm getting some more PK time along with some of these younger kids who are a threat to tilt the ice in the opposite direction.

#2683475 Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

Posted by Echolalia on 19 July 2016 - 12:02 PM

What about the old argument that if you have to debate it, that means that person shouldn't be in the rafters?

thats typically been my philosophy.

#2683154 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by Echolalia on 14 July 2016 - 11:03 AM

Wow quite a lot of money. He has to be one of the most enigmatic players for LGW. On one hand he's a fourth liner. Period. On the other, Babcock and now Blashill are more than comfortable giving him extended minutes in all situations atypical for a fourth liner. One coach doing it is maybe poor judgement, but two? I'm happy he will remain with Detroit but this seems like overpayment.

#2683076 Who should get A?

Posted by Echolalia on 13 July 2016 - 12:48 PM

All his buddies play for the leafs, Hyman and Matthews

Does that mean Larkin will lure Matthews here???

#2683059 Pulkkinen re-signs with a 1 year deal

Posted by Echolalia on 13 July 2016 - 10:43 AM

I still maintain that the only way he will stick in the NHL is if he diversifies his skill set right now, and gives Blashill a reason besides a heavy slap shot to put him on the ice. The only way he's going to learn to score regularly in the NHL is with regular opportunity, and the only way he's getting regular opportunity is if he demonstrates value to the team in some form right now.

#2683009 Revisiting the 2011 Entry Draft

Posted by Echolalia on 12 July 2016 - 04:40 PM

I took a quick look at some more numbers from the 2011 draft, specifically how many players drafted that year have gone on to play at least 60 games in the NHL.  60 is an arbitrary number, but I picked it so those players who just last year found their niche in the NHL wouldn't be excluded from the list for only playing in half of the season last year.  I would say the vast majority of players who haven't played at least 60 games in the NHL by now likely haven't established themselves in the NHL, and in most cases they probably won't find permanent NHL jobs.  I don't know if its the most definitive way to classify someone as a bust as I'm sure there are a handful of players who may still slip through, but its at least one way to do it and for its convenience its what I looked at.  ANYWAY:

-In the first round 11 of the 30 players picked have played less than 60 games thus far. 

----Colorado's 11th overall pick Duncan Siemans has played 1 NHL game.

----Buffalo's 16th overall pick Joe Armia has played 44 NHL games.

----Chicago's 18th overall pick Mark McNeill has played 1 NHL game.

----Ottawa's 21st overall pick Steven Noesen has played 2 NHL games.

----Toronto's 22rd overall pick Tyler Biggs has played 0 NHL games.

----Pittsburgh's 23rd overall pick Joe Morrow has played 48 NHL games.

----Ottawa's 24th overall pick Matt Puempel has played 39 NHL games.

----Toronto's 25th overall pick Stuart Percy has played 12 NHL games.

----Chicago's 26th overall pick Philip Danault has played 53 NHL games.

----Minnesota's 28th overall pick Zach Phillips has played 0 NHL games.

----Vancouver's 29th overall pick Nicklas Jensen has played 24 NHL games.

Things to note: Players who have established themselves in the NHL by now really thinned out after pick 15.  Only 5 of the back 15 have played more than 60 NHL games, whereas 14 of the first 15 have (and many of those are in the 200+ games played range).


11 of 30 players in the second round have played more than 60 NHL games, which is a hair higher than the success rate of the back 15 of the first round (essentially the same rate).  In other words, your odds of picking an NHL-calibre-player-by-2016 is essentially the same from pick 15 to pick 60, at least in this draft year.  Kudos to Holland for trading one shot in that 33% success range to two shots (for a total of three shots, all in the second round).  Holland's personal success in this frame currently mirrors the league: 33% success rate of this three picks between 15 and 60.  That is Jurco has played more than 60, and Ouellete and Spoul have played less.

Notable picks in the second round: Brandon Saad at 43rd overall by Chicago Matthew Nieto 47th overall by San Jose, and Nikita Kucherov 58th by Tampa Bay.


5 players from the 3rd round have played more than 60 games: Vincent Trocheck, picked 64th by Florida; Adam Lowry, picked 67th by Winnepeg; Klas Dahlbeck, picked 79th by Chicago; Andy Andreoff picked 80th by Los Angeles; and Nick Shore picked 82nd by Los Angeles.


4 players from the 4th round have played more than 60 games: Jean-Gabriel Pageau picked 96th by Ottawa; Reid Boucher picked 99th by New Jersey; Jonny Gaudreau picked 104th by Calgary; and Tobias Reider picked 114th by Edmonton.


Only Andrew Shaw, picked 139th overall by the Blackhawks, and Nikita Nesterov, picked 148th overall by Tampa Bay have played in more than 60 games from the 5th round.


Josh Manson from Anaheim, picked 160th by Anaheim is the only player from the 6th round.


The 7th round produced four 60+GP players: 

-Iiro Pakarinen, 184th Florida

-Jyrki Jokipakka, 195th Dallas

-Alexi Marchenko, 205th Detroit

-Ondrej Palat, 208th Tampa Bay


Overall I'd say Tampa Bay had the most successful draft that year.  Chicago also did quite well (although they struck out on both of their first round picks).


source: http://www.hockeydb....t/nhl2011e.html

#2682988 Revisiting the 2011 Entry Draft

Posted by Echolalia on 12 July 2016 - 02:41 PM

Another thing I noticed between five years ago and now is the knowledge base of these prospects from a fan's perspective is much broader. In 2011 there seemed to be only a dedicated few who even felt they were knowledgable enough to voice an opinion. This year it seems like many more of these prospects are known throughout the fanbase. Admittedly, I'm still not one of them. The two defensman whom people are debating over taking in this year's draft in the first round are just anonymous blanks in my head right now.