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#2552658 Lines Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 29 November 2014 - 12:52 PM

In Smith's defense, he was very involved offensively and jumped into the play regularly during his first call up (I think he had 6 points in those first 12 games, or something like that). Once he officially broke the roster we started to see him play a more stay-at-home type game, but more recently, I think Smith has been bringing that aspect of his game back.

Edit: actually I suspect we will see the same course of development in Oulette.  His goal last night was the result of him getting a quick feed into the slot, but its not like he sneaked in the back door from the blue line.  He was fully engaged in a goal-mouth scramble prior to the goal, then the puck bounced behind the net, and Oulette maintained his position at the crease instead of falling back to the blue line.  It worked out in our favor this time, but you can bet Babcock will not want his defensman playing the offensive crease for that amount of time and leaving the blueline unattended like that.




#2552655 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Echolalia on 29 November 2014 - 12:23 PM

 

Nothing exactly, it's way too early for bold predictions like that. Did the wings start better than I've expected them ? Absolutely Do I think they can keep it up ? Who knows but I'd rather keep it realistic and enjoy watching the future of this time instead of dreaming about something on which other teams are having a much better shot at.

 

Yeah, the Bruins have taken a step back (I still can't believe they've lost Iginla, Thornton and Boychuck) and not replacing them - thats on Chiarelli and he has to fix it. Pittsburgh regular season is meaningless for them, we'll see how they are doing in the playoffs.

 

Frankgrimes: keeping it realistic since 2012




#2552587 11/28 GDT - Red Wings @ Devils - 7:00 PM EST

Posted by Echolalia on 28 November 2014 - 09:55 PM

wow and Montreal lost to Buffalo tonight




#2552444 11/28 GDT - Red Wings @ Devils - 7:00 PM EST

Posted by Echolalia on 28 November 2014 - 07:33 PM

I'm liking Trevor as the color commentator

 

edit: and I'm not referring to the color of his skin




#2552425 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Echolalia on 28 November 2014 - 06:12 PM

Personally, I define "contender" as a top-ten team. I don't think there should only be three or four contenders at any time. I call those teams favorites. They're the three or four best teams in the league, but there are six or seven other teams that are good enough to go deep in the playoffs and maybe win it all.

 

I think the Wings might be one of the ten best teams in the league, if not right now then by deadline time. In this sense, I think you could argue they're contenders. Does that mean I honestly think they're right there with Chicago and Anaheim? Nope. But we're much, much closer to the top than we are to the bottom.

The Wings have played like a top 10 team so far.  10th league-wide in points, 7th league-wide in goals per game, 9th league-wide in goals against per game, 11th league-wide in power play percentage, 2nd league-wide in PK, 12th league wide in shots per game, 2nd league-wide in shots against per game, 3rd league-wide in faceoffs, 4th fewest penalty minutes per game.

By your definiton I'd say they are contenders, and I certainly think they've been a top 10 team league-wide.




#2552419 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Echolalia on 28 November 2014 - 04:14 PM

I guess I'll define contendor as a team that makes it to the SCF to actually contend directly for the Cup, at least for this post.

Traditionally there has been some value in being a top 4 seed entering the playoffs, although that value has been diminishing pretty steadily in recent years.  Since the lockout in 2005, about 75% of teams to reach the Stanley Cup Final were seeded in the top four, although I didn't include last year in this statistic because the new playoff format is convoluted and I don't fully understand it yet.  If you use the older playoff model, the Rangers and the Kings from last year would be 5th and 6th seeds respectively, which would make the last 10 years be 12/18 =66%.  But whether you include them or not, since 2005, 66-75% of the teams to make it to the SCF have been top four in their conference/top four seeeded.  Compare that value to just the past five years and it drops to 5/8=62% (not including last year) or 5/10=50% (including last year with the old model).  So there does seem to be a trend developing where more teams from lower in the standings are making it to the finals in recent years.  Whether that's actually the case or a statistical anomaly remains to be seen, but its certainly the way the league has designed itself, so I wouldn't be suprised to see this trend continue in the future.  So having said that, with the Wings currently sitting in 5th place in the Eastern Conference, we are just on the outside being in that fabled top 4 (more specifically 3 points outside with one game in hand), although the more recent history is more favorable for our odds.

BUT even they do get into the top 4, only 2 teams out of 16 total make it to the Final.  Do the Wings have what it takes to be THAT team over all the others, whether top 4 or otherwise?  I have no idea.  I definitely like our team better than last year.  Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still Datsyuk and Zetterberg.  Tatar and Nyquist and Sheahan have picked up right where they left off last year, and now have some playoff experience under their belt.  Weiss may finally be able to contribute.  Howard has been steady.  The defense looks much more solid than it did at any point last year, and perhaps most importantly, the Wings have not been plagued by injuries (knock on wood).  When you add the fact that we have several assets in the minors that may be able to contribute as black aces or get moved for an established difference-maker at the trade deadline (as we don't have room for all of our prospects on the team and waiver exemption only lasts so long), and it definitely looks better for us than it did last year.  At the very least I expect they'll win more than one playoff game.




#2552278 Lines Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 26 November 2014 - 10:15 PM

Well I didn't think the Helm, Weiss, Jurco line would score and it did, so I'm just going to shut up.  But man do I think that Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm line is doomed to failure.  None of those guys averages more than about 130-140 shots a year. 

 

Whatever Babcock throws out for his next new line, for the love of god say its going to be terrible.  Your words have magic




#2552251 11/26 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 26 November 2014 - 09:58 PM

Watched it 4 times

 

not even ashamed




#2552241 11/26 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 26 November 2014 - 09:47 PM

I always miss games with fights

 

heres a video of the fight:

 




#2552192 11/26 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 26 November 2014 - 09:05 PM

boy that was a game-changer.  i bet the boys are awake after that one




#2552085 11/26 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 26 November 2014 - 08:00 PM

100% shooting percentage stays alive




#2551997 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by Echolalia on 26 November 2014 - 12:35 PM

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=3NklthJ7foI


https://m.youtube.co...h?v=GUhXK_hanuE





This one is from 2013...great stats you got Harold LOL

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=wuBrSuW3ojo


And this is why I'm talking about how he won't back away from someone...even if they're a giant


https://m.youtube.co...h?v=zJJCMPp0mlg



And here is what I mean by willing to fight but teammates interfere:


https://m.youtube.co...h?v=X3Sq1Kwz-zc





So I don't know if the site that you use is wrong or if you are but either way id be my left but that there's a lot if fights not recorded. To me any time two people are throwing punches it's a "fight" even if it's more of a scrum.

 

The site technically wasn't wrong.  In the 2013 fight you posted, they were given roughing minors, not fighting majors, which is why it wasn't included on hockeyfights




#2551928 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by Echolalia on 25 November 2014 - 07:56 PM

 

Which one?

 

Currently got Jets v #lumbus on...

the Griffins, but its tomorrow night so just read my comment in like 20 hours and respond.




#2551915 Lines Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 25 November 2014 - 04:16 PM

 

Because it's reasonable to assume that both those guys will play a full 82 games this season, or going forward?  I'm not skewing stats.  I'm going by their totals.  Neither of those two will ever play a full 82 games again.  So why would you go by their full season projections?

 

You mentioned that you think the Datsyuk Helm Weiss line is doomed to fail, and followed that up by saying none of the three of them averages more than 130-140 shots/year.  That suggests that you expect the line to fail because they allegedly don't shoot the puck much, which is what Son of a Wing addressed by using a much more accurate shots/game average.  Their season totals are that low due primarily to injuries, and to use full-season shot total to predict what kind of offensive output we can expect IS skewing stats (or at the very least is a poor choice of statistical values to use).  With your value of 135 shots/year, it suggests an average of 1.6 shots/game, which is much lower than what they actually shoot.  His response has absolutely nothing to do with playing a full season.




#2551381 Inconsistency

Posted by Echolalia on 23 November 2014 - 06:51 PM

 

I posted about this very thing a few days ago. While I don't think you can pin our inconsistency on just one or two things, I'm willing to bet this is the biggest factor.

 

The thing about a player's "prime" is it's not just some physiological thing that magically happens when you hit a certain age. It's largely just the fact that, being 27, you've been in this league for three or four or five years now. You're experienced, comfortable, confident. You're a veteran. Roughly half our roster isn't there yet, and you can definitely tell.

 

It does make me excited for what's on the horizon.

 

 

edit: for the record, I think its worth mentioning that while we haven't put together a long streak of victories in a row, yet, the Wings are still right in the thick of things, with the teams around us having played more games.  This implies that we probably haven't experienced the losing streaks that some of these other teams have endured also.