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#2535958 How Do You Like Your Equipment?

Posted by Echolalia on 11 September 2014 - 11:31 AM

So I've been playing hockey since I was a kid.  Growing up, my coaches always used me as more of a defensive forward, because I was a taller, lankier kid with long arms in high school.  I also got used to playing with hockey sticks that weren't cut, so the butt of the stick often came up to my eyes/nose when I stood the stick up (ie really long reach, excellent poke-checking capabilities).  This is the way I've had my hockey sticks ever since, even though the role on my teams has gradually shifted to more of an offensive playmaker/scorer type.  The biggest issue I've had with my game is that my shot is fairly weak, and it takes me longer than I'd like to set up for a shot.  In order to remedy this, I tried cutting to a much shorter stick, with the thought that my lower hand will be closer to the blade of the stick and I'll be able to put more muscle into my shots now, and with a shorter stick the puck will be closer to me and I'll be more ready to shoot the puck from stick-handling, instead of having the puck another foot out from my body and having to take an extra step to pull it in before shooting with the longer stick.


The stick is now cut so the butt comes up to my collarbone when I'm on skates, so its a good 6 to 7 inches shorter than what I'm used to.  I've played one game with it like this and I can't believe how different the experience is.  With a shorter stick, it forces me to have more bend in my knees and at the hips just to keep the blade flat on the ice, so I find that my skating is more explosive.  Previously I was more of a back-is-straight kind of skater and most of the work came just from my knees.  I also find that I am way tougher to get the puck from in tight spaces.  There were several times in the last game where I was able to fight through poke checks or resist stick-lifts, or come out of a scrum of guys in the corner and still maintain possession of the puck.  I owe this to the fact that I'm able to put more of my weight through my lower hand and into the stick, and my body overall is closer to the ice, and thus harder to move.

Stick-handling/deking I would say has gone back a step, although I was doing much better with toe-drags.  With the longer stick, my range for stick-handling was pretty wide, and I could go wide left to wide right on a defender quickly, and be out of his range on both sides, so getting around guys was pretty easy if I could just find the holes. Now its a bit more of a challenge, and I need to change my game to be more comfortable stick-handling closer to my body, and relying more on foot speed.

Defensively I didn't feel that much of a disadvantage.  My range is definitely smaller, but I think the increase in speed that I got from playing with more bend at my knees and hips made up for the shorter range in most cases.

As for shooting power/speed of setting up the shot (which is the whole reason for the change), the jury is still out.  I can definitely get my shots off quicker, because I'm stick-handling pretty much right in my wheelhouse now instead of away from my body, and I feel like I can put more mustard onto my shots as well.  The problem is I'm so used to shooting the puck when its further out from my body, so there were many times where I would shoot the puck and not even make solid contact becauseI had pushed the puck too far from my body.  Unfortunately this happened during the shootout, where I whiffed on the puck and didn't even get a real shot off...  This is going to take some time to get used to. 

Overall I'm really excited about the changes, and I'm looking forward to getting back on the ice to keep working on getting more comfortable with a shorter stick.


Anyway I figured that I'd share my experience, partly because before I decided to go to a shorter stick I did some research online to see whether anyone else had gone through the transition, or could summarize their opinion of the pros/cons of long vs short sticks.  There wasn't much out there and it was mostly all the same stuff that people were repeating (a stick should go between your nose and your chin on skates, longer stick = harder shot, shorter stick= better deking etc), and after going through with it first hand, I've noticed that its more complicated than all the generalizations that are published online.

And for conversation sake, I was interested to hear how you guys and gals prefer your equipment and why, and whether you've made any changes to accommodate a change in the type of game you play.  It could be hockey stick, skates, gloves, anything.


edit: this also gives us something to talk about that isn't Dekeyser still hasn't signed!  Alfie is injured!  Cleary is wasting a roster spot!  etc

#2535735 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Echolalia on 08 September 2014 - 11:44 AM


I'll give you Alfredsson and Weiss but it's not like there was a huge bidding war for them. As far as I remember, for both those players, only us and one other team were even interested. DeKeyser is a hometown boy so no points on that on and I'm too unfamiliar with Nosek to even comment on him. 


All I know is that it feels like for the last 5 years or so, players are always taking another team over us. I mean, do you simply refuse to acknowledge the fact we struck out on every single player we went after this season (and there were a LOT of them)?

I may be remembering incorrectly but I think there were several teams interested in Alfredsson, and several more that were interested in Weiss. 

As for this year, there were what, five players that the Wings targeted that weren't signed, and the Wings are one team in a league of 30.  The odds are NEVER going to be in our favor to sign any particular player, especially when said player is besties with the coach in Washington, and that other player wants to be with his family in Minnesota, etc etc.


side note: Funny that this article was posted on mlive this morning, because it mentions goaltender prospect Jared Coreau picked the Wings over seven other teams back when he was a free agent.  He did this knowing he would be just one goalie in an organization that already includes Howard, Gustavson, Mrazek, McCollum, and Peterson.  But he picked the Wings because of the system's ability to develop players properly.  So there you go. http://www.mlive.com...jared_core.html

#2535535 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 04 September 2014 - 09:03 AM

Forgive my ignorance, but how much do the Wings have left in cap space, and how much can Alfie command at this stage of his career?

According to capgeek the Wings are rolling with a bit under $5.3M.  One of the issues is Quincey received a raise and is earning $4.25M, and Dekeyser outplayed in him just about every aspect last year.  Dekeyser is also younger and his ceiling is likely much higher than Quincey's, so Dekeyesr's agent can work from a point of strength on that comparison.  Another issue is even though Alfredson is old and missed a lot of last season with injuries, he was still the Wings' leading scorer, and the presumption is that if he does play this season, it is because he feels he will be healthier (and thus more effective) than last year.  So Alfie's camp also has a good argument to make a good chunk of that $5.3M the Wings have.  Obviously Holland wants both guys, and its going to take some cooperation from all three camps to get a deal done that works for everyone.  But in the mean time, Holland needs to know if Alfredson is even going to play, and until then, I imagine nobody is in a hurry to get a contract done.

But this is all just speculation on my part.

#2535532 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 04 September 2014 - 08:46 AM

It could have nothing to do with money. It could something completely obscure, if the case was they were far apart we probably would have heard something by now about it. It could be like Tatar where they were just different on how long they wanted the contract to be for.


I wonder if they're trying to gauge whether Alfredson will be playing or not, and basing how much money is potentially available, and how to structure the contract on that.  It would explain the delay in signing a contract, and it would also explain why both Holland and Dekeyser seem like they aren't too worried about Dekeyser not signing here.

#2535466 Lines Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 03 September 2014 - 04:39 PM

Helm on the top line is very interesting, providing it lasts more than 2 periods in the preseason.  He demonstrated flashes of offensive talent when he returned last year, much to the surprise of LGW, so maybe he can be a contributor.  What interests me the most is his speed paired with Datsyuk's vision/hands.  With Helm's wheels, its going to force the defense to back off and respect that a bit, especially on the breakout.  At the same time, a player like Datsyuk you want to play tight, and stick close to him.  That dynamic could be trouble for defense if they aren't careful (especially if Helm finally learns how to capitalize on his opportunities).

I just don't know if he'll be as effective in real life.

#2535423 Howard's new 2014-15 mask

Posted by Echolalia on 02 September 2014 - 10:08 PM

The Spirit of Detroit holding up the city skyline is an awesome concept but poorly executed. That could have been my favorite goalie mask of all time.
I personally like 2008-2010. The retired numbers on the tachometer is a groovy blend of Red Wings history and Detroit history.

#2535376 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by Echolalia on 02 September 2014 - 12:21 PM

As excited as I am about Mantha - if we're being honest, his presence on the Wings this season affects our cup chances exactly 0%. He isn't going to put us over the top, so I really don't mind giving him one transitional year in the AHL, a league that I believe he can he can score a lot a points in, while refining the other parts of his game.


We all want to see him play, but the last thing I want is for him to get small minutes on the bottom two lines with the Wings with non-offensive linemates when he could be getting big minutes in GR with other offensive and two-way guys. 

Or cripple the guy's confidence if he comes up and gets destroyed, for that matter.  I'm more than comfortable with letting him ripen up in the AHL.

#2535157 Lines Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 29 August 2014 - 11:07 AM

I wasn't really sure where to put this but this place seems as good as anywhere...




Expect Dan Cleary to don his third different number for #RedWings upcoming season. The veteran has ditched 71, flipping the digits to 17.



I know a lot of people will say they wish he wasn't going to don any Red Wings jersey this upcoming season but I still love Danny and I hope he has a solid season. And I for one, couldn't stand seeing that 71 on the ice, I think he will look great with number 17 on his back.

Maybe it will bring him a little more luck than 71

#2534529 Lines Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 18 August 2014 - 08:54 PM

This is what I see facing Boston for Game 1
Pretty, eh.

I like how it looks, actually, given the roster we have. I would switch Nyqvist and Alfie, though.

#2534500 Lidstrom honoured today with plaque next to Yzerman

Posted by Echolalia on 18 August 2014 - 03:22 PM

That plaque put 15 years onto him.  Still cool honor, though.

#2534180 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by Echolalia on 13 August 2014 - 05:27 PM

I'd add that in getting Gretzky you wouldn't sacrifice team defense, only individual defense.  Individually he's worse than Yzerman, no doubt.  But he's so much better of a possession player that your team defense would improve simply by virtue of having to play in the defensive zone so much less. 
But other than that, I agree with most of what you've said above. 

His plus/minus would imply otherwise. The guy was a consistent minus player throughout the last decade of his career (ie the 90s), which at the most fundamental level tells me that the strength of his possession game wasn't enough to keep the puck out of his own zone, nor out of his own net. The opposition consistently outscored his line. And I know +/- is a team stat and blah blah blah, but you'd think for someone who holds almost every offensive record in the books, and continued to produce at an elite level up until his retirement, he would have been able to have at the very least a decent plus minus for half those seasons, especially because that negative +/- was pretty consistent over three different teams (and who knows how many linemates) in the 90s.
The guy was an offensive god, but his defense was little to non existent. The real question is had the Wings acquired him, would he have been Bowman's example for the Wings to adapt a two-way game as Yzerman did, or would he have continued to do what made him famous? The last part is why in retrospect, I would have stuck with Yzerman (although in 1989 I would have made the trade 10 times out of 10).

#2534177 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Echolalia on 13 August 2014 - 04:21 PM

Good article. Also,

"Kronwall has remained an effective No. 1 defenseman for the team."


Ahem there are only seven #1 defensmen in the league, thus Kronwall is a #2 at best.

#2533570 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by Echolalia on 02 August 2014 - 08:16 PM

If we had a player like Subban and he was given this contract, I doubt many people here would be upset.  

I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't be that happy with anything over 7, and I wouldn't be able to tolerate anything over 8.

#2533542 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by Echolalia on 02 August 2014 - 02:49 PM

This cap hit seems like they used Quincey's contract as comparison.

#2533373 Red Wings add Jim Hiller and Andrew Brewer to coaching staff

Posted by Echolalia on 30 July 2014 - 01:38 PM

I really don't know much about these guys other than what I read so if anyone can shed some light on them please do. thanks.

No one ever knows much about any of the assistant coaches Babcock picks out, until 3 years later when they're the most desired coaching candidates in the league.