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And once again, my point is that you  (and Holland) are basing that off of only half a season's worth of performance. Did you already forget his amazing run with the Wings in 08-09 when he had 9 points in 13 games? Also, by your logic, we should have gotten rid of Franzen (16 points in first 80 games) in the middle of his first season as well. Or would you find a reason for Holland to have been justified then too?

Not to fight someone else's fight, but I don't think that SWF (and Holland) are basing their response on only half a season's worth of performance.  The Wings were tight against the cap and were fighting desperately just to make it into the playoffs.  Holland had resources waiting (Franzen, Lilja) that could help the team climb the standings, but there wasn't enough roster space to utilize these resources.  The plethora of injuries, claiming Miller, and people returning from injuries really complicated our caphit and our roster size.  If Holland was serious about wanting to make the playoffs, he had to remove someone from the team to make the roster size and cap more malleable, and Leino was consistently proving himself to be the weakest link.  At the very least, everyone else on the roster was bringing something to the table the Wings could benefit from.  Despite his talent, Leino did not.  Unfortunately, Leino was too talented a player to clear waivers so Holland did the next best thing and traded him for a pick and a defensman.  Now that he's in a new setting and playing well on a team who's currently in the Finals, the move doesn't seem so ideal, but Holland didn't have too many options at the time.  He would have taken way more heat from fans if he kept Leino around and never removed Franzen from IR.

I'm surprised to see Indy as the 5th-best market.

I wonder if the Coyotes might end up there soon

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Also, Pittsburgh I'm thinking has a tiny arena.

In 07/08 Lidstrom won the norris trophy and scored 70pts and a +40

in 09/10 he wasn't even nominated for the norris and scored just 49pts +22

not bad for playing on the Detroit Griffins

I can't believe the greed of some people on this site.  The Red Wings just signed Nick Lidstrom, the best defensman of this era, and everyone is all "what a greedy person for not signing with the legendary Wings for half his value."

Because they will be forced to put the same team on the ice as last season (+hudler) and that FOR SURE won't be enough for a championship season.

Keep in mind that the plethora of rookies will now have a year of experience under their belts.  Ericcson, Helm, and Howard should (theoretically) all be more reliable on the ice, and we'll also have Abby the whole year instead of Williams. And don't underestimate what adding Hudler can do to the team.  Especially if Babs wants to roll three "scoring lines".  Its not the top six that wins a playoff series, but the bottom six.  Next year we may also have a bit of money at the deadline to pick up someone who can add a bit of depth.

Don't count next year as a lost cause before this year's playoffs are even over.

So historic venues such as Fenway and Wrigley Field should be shut down as well too?

Joe Louis Arena is uncomfortable, cramped, falling apart, lacks sufficient bathroom numbers (and the bathrooms they do have are disgusting and small), and when I walk into the Joe I feel like I'm walking into a concrete sarcophagus, not a historic arena.  The Joe hardly has the charm that Fenway or Wrigley have.  Implying otherwise is a bit laughable.  
Even though I'm a fan of the Wings I can't pretend that JLA is some wonderful historic landmark that needs to be preserved.

A couple folks have mentioned they like the Joe due to its old school charm.  Unfortunately all I see when I go there is "old".

I forgot about that one. Make that a 3 way tie. Basically anything thing to do with animals holding hockey sticks...

I think the Bruins could make a sweet logo with a ravage bear holding a hockey stick, but then you run into the problem of changing an O6 logo.

Cmon stevie Y screw the lightning over! LOL

In his conference discussing his being fired he'll look to the cameras and say "Wing for life baby" and walk out.

Its hard to think of them as rivals when the two teams continuously have little/no success.

Am I the only one who's excited for him and doesn't feel betrayed?

This is my favorite:

Quick question, and possibly a stupid one with an obvious answer: Whats the advantage of signing a player to a deal that will make him a UFA vs RFA?

Also stupid: How I spell UFA in the title.

http://www.freep.com...contract-talks-

There is a mention of a multi-year contract as well, as Bert has been riding 1 years for a while and wants to settle down.  It also says they hope to re-sign Homer and Lils.