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#2299727 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by Echolalia on 07 May 2012 - 12:39 AM

Yzerman set the bar on hanging on for the last couple years. he played his last 4 or 5 years at less than 2 million. Add in a little inflation and the number is 3 million. The part every forgets is, to get someone good, you have to give someone good. There is also a salary cap. I know may are hot to trot over parise, but I am not one of them. he is another small forward, which we have a bunch of. the days of a team full of 5-11/180 players is over. yes a few are needed and can be successfull. But overall the average size is closer to 6-2/205. We have 3 forwards that are that size or bigger. 1 is old Burt, 1 disappears-Franzen, and 1 is very young Abelkater.
yes moving Zetterberg or datsyk will cause riots int he streets. I get that. But where will they be in 3 years? Old broken and with no trade value.

Yzerman was also damaged goods at that point, playing on one knee. He missed significant playing time each of those years with injury problems, and didn't pot more than 52 points since the 2000-2001 year. Yes he took a paycut, but its hardly equivalent to Lidstrom taking 3M/year to play, who is still quite healthy, quite effective, and even including the lost step he has endured with age, is still an elite defensman in the league.
I also have to disagree with you assessment of Parise: You are correct in labeling him as a small forward, but he is effective and gritty in the corners, and plays harder and more tenacious on the puck/body than the majority of our current roster. He isn't going to steamroll Weber, but he will make his presence felt given the opportunity. Keep an eye on him in the playoffs if you get the chance.
On our core: Datsyuk is currently 33, which isn't fresh but I wouldn't consider him "old" either. He's nearing the end of his prime, but he is certainly still there. I really don't get the desire to move perhaps the most effective two-way player in the game right now (and frankly the most effective two-way player I have ever seen, in any hockey era). Zetterberg isn't far behind him, and while he had terrible first-half numbers, it was revealed he was injured and really stepped it up in the second half. Z is younger, also in his prime, and still quite effective. Lidstrom is old, but still effective. Homer is also old, so is Bert, and none of them will be around much longer. Darren Helm is young and energetic, Abdelkader is a solid shut-down centerman who's backcheck and defensive game are quite underrated. Also young. Filppula is south of 30. Hudler is south of 30. Jimmy Howard is south of 30. Emmerton, Ericsson, Miller, Eaves, Quincey, White and many others are younger than 30. I don't know that its fair to say that we're an old team anymore. We're the youngest we've been in over a decade.

#2297196 Detroit has inside track on Parise

Posted by Echolalia on 26 April 2012 - 08:37 AM

You completely lost me talking about the apparently huge discrepancy between the Wild's prospect pool and the Wing's. The Wings STILL have one of the deepest prospect pools around with regards to skill and have any number of players that could be contributors in the near future. The tricky thing with prospects is that skill doesn't always continue to develop, and the Wild will have the same problem. Usually more "busts" than there are game-breakers.

So in the meantime, the Red Wings are the better team on the ice, and at the very least equal in the "count your chickens before they hatch" world of player prospects.

The Wings have several players who have the potential to make the jump to the NHL, much like the Wild do, but the difference between the two prospect pools is that the majority of our prospects aren't top line material. If they get into the NHL, they aren't going to be stars, they'll be supporting cast. And that's assuming they continue to develop, like you noted previously. The Wings aren't immune to promising prospects never making it to the NHL (Grigorenko, Ryno, Axellson, etc).
Minnesota's prospect pool has a much higher skill cap than ours. They have top six talent coming up and a lot of it.
I would hardly say that our prospects are at the very least equal to Minnesota's, or about half the league for that matter.

#2288225 Call for the Black Aces

Posted by Echolalia on 15 April 2012 - 04:14 PM

I just want to see our current roster play like they want it more than the Preds. This series will be won on bounces, and it's te hungrier team that gets the bounces.

#2286710 Repercussions of Weber headslam

Posted by Echolalia on 15 April 2012 - 08:49 AM

Maybe I have long-term memory issues, but it seems like the amount of cheapshotting has skyrocketed these playoffs compared to years past, particularly after Shanahan decided taking Weber's lunch money was an appropriate punishment for crushing Zetterberg's face into the glass.
After all the stuff that occurred in game 2s throughout the league, I'm wondering whether Shanahan will have the balls to start cracking down on dangerous and illegal plays, or whether he'll have the audacity to turn his head away.
Now maybe Im wrong. Maybe Playoff hockey has always been like this and I just never paid attention. Maybe the recent s*** that's gone down is just an anomaly and will calm back down on its own. It'll be interesting to see how Shanahan responds.

Also please excuse the spelling error in the thread title

#2283038 Shea Weber fined for Zetterberg "headslam"

Posted by Echolalia on 11 April 2012 - 10:18 PM

Zetterberg's helmet was broken as he skated away, if I saw that correctly. It looked like where the chin strap connects to the side of the helmet had broken off, and was hanging.

#2279828 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by Echolalia on 07 April 2012 - 03:07 PM

As far as I am concerned its a complete failure if both Ryan Sutter & Zach Praise are not in Wing jersey's come fall.

Why not throw Semin and Miller in there too, if we're playing Bizarro EA Sports Hockey Dream Land?

#2278887 Interference

Posted by Echolalia on 06 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

Its an explanation that is 100% accurate. Experience counts for a lot. There are many people who change their tune quickly when they put on the stripes and ref a ice hockey game. You can discount it all you want, but like it or not, its an accurate statement.

Also, I am not over trivializing it at all. In fact, in the quote you posted, I said 98 times out of 100 it would get caught. I may even go as high as 99 times out of 100, because you don't see this kind of thing except maybe once a season. I agree with you that its shocking that it was missed, but at the same time, it doesn't surprise me because the refs miss things all the time. Back in 09 when the Penguins had 6 people plus the goalie on the ice for that power play, everyone was asking, "How could they miss that?" My answer remains the same, because they are human.

I agree with what your saying and understand that refs miss stuff all the time and its only natural they do, simply because they are human. I just want to bust your chops a bit :)
It's tough to say that they would catch this 98 times out of 100, because right now they're 0 for 1 in as long as I've been watching.
Also, I may be mistaken, but didn't the refs catch the Pens on that 6 on 5, and actually yell at someone on the ice to get off for like 20 seconds before they did? That seems to be my recollection, and part of why it was so controversial.

#2278788 Potential First Round for Wings

Posted by Echolalia on 06 April 2012 - 10:56 AM

Wings (4) v Nashville (5): If Wings win and Preds lose, in ROW.
Wings (5) v Nashville (4): If Preds win.
Wings (6) v LA (3): If Wings lose, or win in SO, LA wins, and Phoenix earns 2 of 4 points or less.
Wings (6) v Sharks (3): If wings lose, or win in SO,, Sharks win, and Phoenix earns 2 of 4 points or less.
Wings (6) v Phoenix (3): If Wings lose and Phoenix wins both of their games.

I'm not sure who will have the tiebreakers between LA, Phoenix, and San Jose, it will depend on whether their games go to SO or not.

#2278261 4/5 GDT : Devils 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by Echolalia on 05 April 2012 - 01:10 PM

Posting this here because I don't think it warrants it's own thread, but the Kings play the first of their two games against San Jose tonight.

I'm a Kings fan too so I'm rooting for them, but keeping the Sharks out of the playoffs would be icing on the cake.

As much as I would love the Sharks to miss the playoffs entirely, I'm beginning to wonder whether it would benefit the Wings in the long haul if the Sharks won the 8th seed. They've always been like the postseason tornado. They just destroy whatever is in their path early on, but they fizzle out pretty quickly and seem easy to weather deep in the playoffs. If the Sharks get the 8th seed, they'll be up against Vancouver, and I see the victor of that series limping away wounded. I don't know that Dallas has the capacity to upset the way the Sharks do.

#2278090 Welcome Back Mule!

Posted by Echolalia on 05 April 2012 - 12:02 AM

Actually I wasn't all that impressed with him tonight.

Well, aside from the two goals of course, but I'm still waiting to see that tenacity where he grabs the puck and never lets go, plows through a couple players from the corner and earns his scoring opportunities, instead of the gift-wrapped pucks that Datsyuk fed him tonight.

I will admit he had a spark to his step after the first goal, and he looked a bit more confident in himself. Hopefully it translates into what we all know he's capable of in the upcoming games, but as it stands, this game wasn't Franzen being Franzen. Even if he did pot two goals.

#2277153 Red Wings Playoff Scouting Report

Posted by Echolalia on 03 April 2012 - 10:43 AM

The power play is bad for the same reason that the Wings have a lot of other problems. There's no desperation or passion. I don't want to blame the coaches, although its an appealing avenue because two of our coaches are brand new and the issues popped up just this year, but the Wings have consistently been poor with winning the small battles, and investing energy to get that tip in the slot, or to come up with the puck in the corner. It certainly doesn't help that the go-to guys for these situations have been nursing injuries, ie Eaves, Cleary, Zetterberg, now Helm. I think Filpulla has been the only player who has really stepped it up and taken on a larger load when it comes to playing with passion and heart. Hopefully the postseason is inspiration enough to get everyone in the right mind.

#2276807 Samuelsson

Posted by Echolalia on 01 April 2012 - 07:40 PM

I'll take the traffic cone or the monkey, but please not Jason Williams

#2275509 this team is soft

Posted by Echolalia on 29 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

I'm really getting sick andf****** tired of the same bulls*** arguments being made on these boards time after time after time. It's like a broken record that's had the needle taped down. Nothing new is ever said, no one's minds are changed, nothing different is brought to the table. It's like any thread about HWSNBN*. The same circle jerk consisting of the same damn people shouting the same incomprehensible babble over one another until they pass out or a mod locks/deletes the thread.

*He Who Shall Not Be Named

Tell it like it is girl!

#2275413 Justin Schultz a Potential Wings UFA Target

Posted by Echolalia on 29 March 2012 - 11:59 AM

Seems pretty speculative, but if the stars align the Wings could see themselves with Smith, Dekeyser, and Schultz, which is a hell of a lot of young talent on the back end.

#2275338 Babcock is making a huge mistake

Posted by Echolalia on 29 March 2012 - 07:27 AM

I wonder if Babs is shielding Nashville from Howard, so they don't have an in-game refresher on his strengths and weaknesses so close to playoffs. You also don't want to let your potential 1st round opponent get confident against your goalie because they lit him up one game removed from injury. Hell, Babs might be worried about them taking runs at Howard trying to reaggrivate whatever was bugging him. Who knows.