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#2560613 Pens aquire David Perron from Oilers

Posted by Echolalia on 04 January 2015 - 04:29 PM


Our defense is the main issue, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider adding 26-year-old 20-goal scorers, especially if they're right shots. Like, this isn't a difficult concept. And it's not like we're adding a big-name defenseman anyway. It'll be a Petry, a Zidlicky. We could afford that and a Perron. Then we'd have a whopping three right-shooting impact players!







I disagree with this to a point (although I wouldn't mind swapping a left handed shooter for a right handed shooter).  Adding 20 goal scorers is nice, but I don't think the issue with scoring comes down to who we have on forward, how our forwards are playing, or even the coaching schemes that they're playing under.  The way I'm seeing our games play out, it all comes down to the fact that we don't have any real offensive threat aside from Kronwall from our defense.  If you look at goals scored (or even points) from the blue line, the Wings are close to the bottom of the league, especially for a playoff team.  Other teams know this and they're playing more aggressively down low in the defensive end instead of playing more tightly to our defenders, which gives our forwards less time and space to work with.  (For the record I think this is more of the causative agent why the Wings are labeled as a perimeter offense team, and not the notion that we need more power forwards).  And if we play it back to the blueline, they know as well as we do the puck likely isn't getting to the net.  They can afford to give our defenders that extra second with the puck.  I even think that our coaching staff has tried to adapt to this weakness by using our defense more as an outlet to get the puck from one side of the zone to the other, instead of forcing a shot through (I have no solid data or quotes to back this up, I've just noticed a lot more winger->defender->opposite winger/opposite defender plays than winger->defender-> shot on net plays this season.  I could be entirely wrong on this).  Anyway, if we spend the assets to get Perron, we're down those assets, we're down the roster player that Perron is replacing, we're down that chemistry the players have established until Perron gets comfortable, and there's no guarantee that Perron even gets comfortable in our system.  And in light of how other teams defend against us, I'm not even confident saying that Perron is a 20 goal scorer here.  Acquiring him certainly won't change how other teams defend against us, although it might make it easier to rip a one-timer from the half wall on the left side, or break out of our zone under pressure from the left side, which does have its values. 

On the other hand, if we can somehow acquire someone who can, at the very least, put pucks on the net from the blue line with some consistency, I think we will see production go up throughout the entire team, because in addition to what the defender can make happen (goals, shots that are tipped in, etc) I think it will open up some space for our forwards as opposing wingers will have more to worry about from our blueline for them to cheat on their coverage.

So I guess my main beef is that I don't think acquiring Perron will make much of a difference in the trajectory of this team, and I'd rather see our assets go towards an offensive defensman, whom I do think can be a real difference maker.

#2560332 Pens aquire David Perron from Oilers

Posted by Echolalia on 03 January 2015 - 03:57 PM

 It seems like the majority of LGW wants to see a trade go down just for the sake of seeing a trade go down.  Then when other teams do make a trade, all of a sudden they're over the top and oh no who can stop them now??  The Pens have been aggressive buyers almost every year for the past five/six years, and somehow it hasn't translated to a whole lot of success in the playoffs.  As for Perron, he's not the type of player the Wings should even be spending assets to acquire.  All things considered, we have a good amount of talent spread throughout our forwards, everyone is buying into the system and filling their role well, and we've seen chemistry form from a variety of different line combos already.  Why mess with that?  If we're looking to make a trade, let's fill a void and go for a top four offensive-defensman.  If we can't find one for a fair price, we always have plan B of continuing to develop our prospects to eventually fill a role.  But getting worked up because the Pens, or Flyers, or Bruins, or whoever made a deal and all of a sudden they look better on paper isn't worth knocking Holland over.  Especially when its only January.

#2559089 Lines Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 25 December 2014 - 10:44 PM

Smith isn't defensively responsible enough to handle pressure as a lone defensemen if we were to get pinned in our end.
I think that's the reason.
Its simple.
It works.
Its pretty true.

If that was the main reason we wouldn't see Kindl on the powerplay either, who's a couple steps behind Smith when it comes to defensive responsibility.

#2558087 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by Echolalia on 20 December 2014 - 02:01 PM



Ok Red Wings, please watch this video before your next game....thanks. Mr. Babcock, I accept Cash and Checks as payment...you're welcome.


The British accent makes me feel like I'm on a top secret mission to score goals

#2556031 NHL Mumps Outbreak

Posted by Echolalia on 12 December 2014 - 06:25 PM

Heaven forbid anyone get vaccinated.

#2555971 More Mantha stuff.....

Posted by Echolalia on 12 December 2014 - 01:09 PM

well... 5 points, technically

#2555864 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by Echolalia on 11 December 2014 - 05:28 PM

I've still been waiting for someone to explain to me how it's totally acceptable to call out Ericsson for a giveaway that led to a goal, but if anybody brings up Howard doing the same thing they're just a "hater/basher".


I'm pretty sure it was the same game too. Ericsson in the 1st period, Howie later in the same game.


Then of course there is this article about the quality of Jimmy Howard's starts: http://www.wingingit...-quality-starts


One of the stats....Really Bad Starts!


I'm sure you guys will head over there and tell them how it's all bulls*** cuz it's just a made up stat and all...


Anyway, anybody wanna answer my question? I'd seriously love to have an answer.


Of course its totally acceptable to call out anyone who gives the puck away and it leads to a goal.  Everyone does it reguarly in the GDT, including when Howard does it.  Hell, this whole thread was made to bash Howard in the shootout and here we all are.  As far as I'm aware, nobody ever bashed on you or your posts for doing that.  What people disagree with is relying on a "statistic" that is entirely subjective as an objective way to rate a goalie, especially when its clear that you're not interested in comparing him to the rest of the league, but rather trying to paint him in a bad light.  "Bad pass" was never defined, neither were a handful of other statistics that you came up with.  Who decides what pass is considered "bad" or not?  You?  And even if you came to some objective way to quantify a bad pass goal, there exists absolutely zero data on any other goaltender in the history of the NHL in these statistical categoreis, so any values that are obtained, whether objective or otherwise, still have no value because there's no way to define what's considered an acceptable range/poor range for bad pass goals or whatever else you were looking at.  Maybe Howard actually has the best bad pass goals against in the league.  But all you were interested in was counting how many times he let those goals in, and not determining how that value compared to other goalies.  As for the next part of your post, wherein you bring up "really bad starts" from that website:  Its a s***ty name for a statistic (and it also made me lol), but in the website they clearly quantify "really bad start" as "A performance where the goaltender failed to attain even an .850 save percentage."  That's objective.  Under their definition, nobody can argue whether Howard has a "really bad start" or not.  The author of that post is also using his statistics to compare different starts of Howard throughout a season/career and then coming up with a conclusion after the values have been analyzed. What he didn't do is come to his conclusion first, then make up stats to try to support his predetermined conclusion.


ANYWAY I think Howard's problem is just as psychological as the rest of the Wings at this point.  They all expect to lose, and teams that verse us in the SO expect to win.  And it shows in their body language.  We aren't seeing those creative dekes (or any dekes), and everyone is more comfortable just shooting the puck. I'm not a goalie so I don't know how to read a goalie's body language as well, but I imagine that Howard isn't playing the shootout with a lot of confidence right now.  Maybe that means he's playing too tight to the net, or he's trying to react instead of predict too much, or vice versa.  All I know is that he hasn't always been this poor.

#2555726 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by Echolalia on 11 December 2014 - 12:01 AM

Ya but his bad pass save% is almost perfect

#2555002 It's gotta be asked....What's up with Hank?

Posted by Echolalia on 08 December 2014 - 11:55 PM

From what I've read through the forums I don't believe there are many folks who think Zetterberg is completely healthy, myself included, although its a bit confusing that he wouldn't be resting if he wasn't 100% considering how conservative the Wings have been this season with regard to injuries.  Having said that, Franzen and Nyquist are also both in cold spells, and when nobody on the line is taking charge, everyone's going to suffer all the more because of that. 

But like you said, Babcock can hardly break the lines up, because production has been solid throughout the other three lines, and at the very least the Zetterberg line hasn't been a liability defensively, so if Z, Nyquist, and Franzen can break even, Babcock still has two (sometimes three) other lines to carry the offensive burden, at least for now.  Perhaps when Abdelkader comes back he can be put into that line to get a spark going, or if Zetterberg is injured perhaps the team will be more inclined to rest Z up at that point.

#2554986 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by Echolalia on 08 December 2014 - 10:26 PM

I love hockey players (as we all do), and believe there are such things as good hockey names.
Ryan Callahan - solid red-blooded american hockey name
Vladimir Konstantinov - bad ass russian hockey name
Guy Lafleur - beautiful french-canadian hockey name

Justin Abdelkader - is the same sound I make when I vomit (don't get me wrong,I love the guy)
IDK I'm probably just weird.

I think the glory of the name usually follows the glory of the individual after a successful career. If Konstantinov was a soft lanky defensman who only played 10 games in the NHL, our heart-rates probably wouldn't rise today when we hear his name. Similarly, if Abdelkader had a career of taking down NHL heavyweights with one punch, and scoring goals, and wreaking havoc in the playoffs, I think his name would mean something quite different than it does to us now.

#2554940 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by Echolalia on 08 December 2014 - 05:09 PM

The Sharks gave up a 3 on none from the blue line last night to the oilers and they never made a pass and missed the net


Everything about this sentence is blowing my mind

#2554704 12/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Hurricanes 1

Posted by Echolalia on 07 December 2014 - 07:54 PM

When are we going to go from civilized wins to like...G'd up, mafioso-style thug wins?

After the All Star break? Trade deadline? 'Cause I have a hard time keepin' it classy.

*shocked face*

Well I never

#2554693 12/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Hurricanes 1

Posted by Echolalia on 07 December 2014 - 07:36 PM

Jolly good show chaps.  Capital work.  That Mr. Datsyuk makes me think my monocle is in want of cleaning.

#2554251 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by Echolalia on 06 December 2014 - 06:05 PM

This is Mantha's first experience playing against men.  Its going to take him a while to adapt to not being the strongest guy on the ice, where he could overpower the opposition to a 50 goal season.

#2554071 Lines Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 05 December 2014 - 11:44 AM

Has anyone else noticed that whatever line Weiss is on is the line that's scoring?  He makes whatever line he's on a whole lot better.  If we can get those top two lines sorted out and give him the remainder of the season and playoffs on Sheahan's wing I think we'll be potent heading into the playoffs. 


I don't know if he's just been hot or if its the way he plays (seeing as how our sample size of the guy is so small), but he always seems to be in the right spot offensively.  Its not like the goals or assists he's contributing are awesome shots, or dekeing out a defender, or threading a needle for a tape to tape pass.  He's just there.  And then all of a sudden the puck is there with him.  And then all of a sudden the puck is in the net.  Not that I'm complaining.  Its awesome to see someone who just may know how to play effectively in the grimey area in front of the net (it seems like all his points have come from within 5 feet of the net), and in the mean time, you can see his confidence is soaring out there.  Every game he looks better than the game before.  I'm super excited that this signing is finally looking like its working out.