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#2318507 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Echolalia on 12 July 2012 - 08:54 AM

Sorry, but conceding another hockey season (Babs didn't think his roster last year was going to be able to compete) won't fly in this town. Not signing one of the top 5 talents in the league because "we don't like what we hear about him" is ok if your team already has a sniper or two. Well, we don't.

I understand being smart with your money, but when you straight up DON'T SPEND money you have, you are more or less throwing it away. We had $5 million in cap space last year that we didn't spend. Essentially, the Detroit Red Wings cap sat $5 million lower than the NHL cap. That makes no sense to me....


Unfortunately there are other factors that come in to play when signing someone aside from cap space and need. Does the sniper in question want a long term contract? Does he even want to play in Detroit? I don't think it's worth the risk to sign Semin or some other questionable player if they're looking for a several year contract. We're in tough shape today, but imagine how bad we would be with two Franzen-types locked up for the next five years. Is that really the solution? If he wants to play here, and is willing to play for one year, awesome. But otherwise it becomes iffy, and frankly I'd rather sit on the money and use it next year when some legit top players without all the baggage are available.
The Wings are in a unique position to for once have a lot of money to work with, but there's only scraps and garbage available to buy.



#2318494 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Echolalia on 12 July 2012 - 08:29 AM

Look, Holland is being smart here. He tried his best to get both Parise and Suter, but in the end they wanted to be close to their families, which Michigan cannot provide. After those two, the free-agent pool drops off considerably. We have money and we have needs, but is it smart to utilize that money in a poor free agent market in attempt to fill your needs with average players, or would it be better to put a bandage on all the wounds for now and wait until next year when more high profile players will be free to sign wherever they like? Trades are always an option too, but when you need someone to replace Lidstrom, or some top-six sniper (in a dry free agent year no less), prices are going to be high. Holland admitted he wants at least another player before he's comfortable with the team, but it's goIng to be a bandage, not a permanent fix to our roster issues. This year can't provide us with a permanent fix. That's just the reality of it. Better luck next year.


#2317993 St. James: Wings have inquired about Rick Nash

Posted by Echolalia on 10 July 2012 - 11:40 PM

Interesting that the Flyers are on that list. Howson might actually get what he thinks Nash is worth...


#2317504 Ken Holland, Post-Scotty Bowman

Posted by Echolalia on 09 July 2012 - 07:52 PM

I'm really having difficulty wrapping my head around why (or how) so many posters are buying into Scotty running the show from his advisor position, and assuming Holland is actually some sort of dunce who somehow is capable of driving a team into the ground in three years.


#2315890 Where do we go from here? Let's try a youth movement

Posted by Echolalia on 05 July 2012 - 04:03 PM

Abby is quickly becoming the most under appreciated player on the team ala Ericsson. I can't say for sure but im guessing a lot of it is coming from the notion that he doesn't dominate in any traditional bottom six role, but has the skill to be effective in all of them (which folks don't seem to notice). The guy fights when he has to, but doesn't drop the gloves every other night, so the fighting slapped get pissed. He lays big hits every now and then but doesn't focus solely on destroying people, so the traditional grinders get pissed. He scores and assists goals but not every night, so the bottom-six finesse guys get pissed. He's a jack-of-all trades in the bottom six who's defensive responsibility is vastly underrated. He's very dynamic and I think that's a good skill to have. I hope he stays with the club.


#2312929 Jiri Hudler signs with Calgary, 4 years, $4m/year

Posted by Echolalia on 02 July 2012 - 02:42 PM

Suddenly the Sammy signing looks desirable!


#2312635 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by Echolalia on 02 July 2012 - 08:45 AM

I am shocked at how many people dont like this signing.
Tootoo is definitely one of the most notorious agitators in the league, and has a reputation of going over the line, but when you consider all the toughness vs skill debates our forums have had when discussing the bottom six, well here is a guy who provides the best of both worlds. Take a step back and look at what Tootoo is capable of objectively. He is an all heart player who gives it his absolute all every shift. He creates chaos, he hits, he fights, and last year he scored 30 points in 77 games. Physicality aside, those are impressive numbers for a grinder. Since the 2008 season he has also been much more level-headed, amassing 40, 61, and 92 PIM respectively. He isn't going to be a liability for us the way that many other bottom line forwards are.

This guy is everything that Detroit needs in the bottom six, and considering his blue-collar, give-it-your-all attitude, I expect it won't be long until he's a fan favorite here.

Just no whistles please...


#2312309 Still no decision from Suter. Speculation abounds.

Posted by Echolalia on 01 July 2012 - 07:09 PM

I would love to get Nash but I don't know how we are going to pry him away from the kings ransom that Columbus wants for him. Are we trading away our entire future players?


Columbus had been horribly run, but over the past year the follies have really been scrutinized at a national and public level. The pressure is really on for their management to do something, which I suspect will lower the Nash price somewhat. Regardless he will be costly to acquire.


#2312205 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by Echolalia on 01 July 2012 - 06:09 PM

Was this guy a healthy scratch for the playoffs last year? I can't remember.


#2310885 St. James: Wings have inquired about Rick Nash

Posted by Echolalia on 28 June 2012 - 09:43 PM

Good god. I read the title as Wings have acquired Nash and almost fainted


#2310692 Sidney Crosby signs 12-year, $104.4M Contract, $8.7M/yr

Posted by Echolalia on 28 June 2012 - 10:46 AM

I hope then for his sake and Pittsburgh's that the concussions are just a temporary issue and not a recurring thing.


#2310188 Shane Doan to test free agency

Posted by Echolalia on 26 June 2012 - 06:55 PM

Could you imagine the hunger and intensity a team consisting of Doan, Parise, and Helm would possess? Hell I would love to see those three on a line together just to witness the chaos.


#2305987 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by Echolalia on 08 June 2012 - 09:24 AM

For the record on figuring out who said what and which guys says we need this player etc:

Folks from the Wings' organization are legally not allowed to mention specific names when the player in question is under contract with another team. When free agency hits, then the names can fly, but until then, Holland and Babs and all the others have to be general and cryptic so not to get in trouble with the league.
Consequently all the quotes with specific names in them are likely coming from opinion columnists, bloggers, other people who are not affiliated with the Red Wings, or the NHL.


#2305788 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by Echolalia on 07 June 2012 - 10:56 AM

Basing that on your decades of being a pro hockey scout and coach? fact is no one knows how anyone will turn out. yes that also includes Smith. A handfull of games does not make a career. besides, who said he has to help this season? if we keep Quincey we have 6 Dman already. i do expect us to get one of the 4 top UFA D's out there. The perfect solution would be sign schultz, 1 year at GR, then he replaces White who is a UFA after this season.


I don't think that is a safe expectation to make. While Shultz is completely unproven at the NHL level, he has shown a lot of potential, and seems to have all the raw tools to be a difference maker in the NHL. That alone will be enough for some team to pursue this kid with the promise of guaranteed good minutes in the big leagues, and maybe even a leadership role in a few years. With our defensive depth and very high seasonal expectations, Neither Holland nor Babs can nor should give those same promises. Consequently, Shultz might be more inclined to go elsewhere if he suspects he'll be in Grand Rapids this year.
If this kid has high expectations of himself and thinks he can outperform Kindl, Smith, or Quincey, and earn his spot in the top six, then maybe he takes the chance and signs with us.
In any event, it's dangerous to expect him to replace White and his role in the lineup a year from now. Regardless of the amount of potential this kid has and the magnitude of hype that follows his name (not to mention how much White is looked down upon at LGW), were still talking about a kid with no experience playing in the NHL, and a guy who plays top defensive minutes on one of the most well respected and well run organizations in sports.
I'm all for throwing an offer at Shultz so long as he is aware that the Wings don't reward players for potential alone. If he wants a good contract, he has to show he deserves it. If he wants top line minutes on our team, he needs to outperform the other guys fighting for that spot. if that doesn't sound good to him, I'm sure Montreal or Toronto has some space on their roster, and they'll be happy to throw everything that Shultz wants based on his prospect scouting report.


#2305563 Darren McCarty seeks protection from former pals

Posted by Echolalia on 06 June 2012 - 08:58 AM

It was very recently that there were multiple/regular McCarty sightings in several Troy/Clawson area bars. I don't know the bartenders myself, but I have heard from a few of my buddies that they call around to each other to limit alcohol servings to McCarty when he gets out of control, to prevent going to other nearby bars once he's "hit his limit" at some other place.
Who knows if its true, but its interesting that this article should pop up so recently after hearing that.