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#2336860 Player discussions: Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen

Posted by Echolalia on 27 December 2012 - 11:06 PM

Here are last season's stats for Detroit Red Wings: http://redwings.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

From here, we can see the following about Franzen:
- 29 goals (team leader)
- 27 assists (4th)
- 56 points (4th)
- +23 (tied for first)
- team leader in PP goals and game winning goals
- 13.7% shooting percentage (3rd on team)... he has a lot of shots too, but who cares as long as his shooting percentage is 3rd on the team, we can't really say anything

Consistent or not, the facts do not lie. This guy is a beast. He puts up great numbers. I don't care if all his points come in the first and last games of the season and every game in between he gets nothing. He puts up the numbers. Could he put up higher numbers if he was more consistent? Absolutely, he would go down in history as one of the best to play, ever.

I get so confused when people talk trash about Franzen. It's nice to be treated to a game here and there with a hat trick. He has a few hat tricks and even more 2-goal games.

I hope this guy stays with us for much longer. As someone else said in this thread, if he left he'd probably end up with the Blackhawks and score a hat trik against us. I don't want that happening.

EDIT: I'm not saying that scoring goals is all that makes a player good. At the end of the day, the team with more goals wins. The hard numbers at the end of the game are what is going to win a hockey game most of the time. Franzen has 10 game-winning goals. Can you imagine if we did not have Franzen? We would have had 10 fewer wins, at the very least. That is pretty significant.

Personally, I value consistency above overall numbers. Franzen has demonstrated that he has all the tools needed to be one of the most lethal forwards in the game, which many defenses have no answer to. Because of this skill, he has been penciled in as the team's scorer, for better or worse. He isn't a role-player anymore, he is a key cog, and I don't think its realistic for a key cog to only work on random nights. Why should Franzen get a pass for taking the rest of the week off because he scored a hat-trick against some team on Monday night? That's unacceptable to me. Franzen has become an unreliable asset, which unfortunately the Red Wings have invested a great deal in. Yes, Franzen has scored some big goals and he has scored quite a few of them, but when its late in Game 7 and our team is down by one goal, why should we put our trust into Franzen to save us? How will I know that he will use his skill and actually contribute? What if tonight is one of those nights when the cog isn't working?
Just a side note: Franzen may have had 10 game winning goals, but the Wings would only lose those games in which we otherwise would have won by one goal. If the Wings won 5-2 and Franzen got the GWG, we still win without his contribution.

#2335766 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 10 December 2012 - 10:10 AM

Just came in to post this - good job, harold. The NHLFA has been oddly silent throughout this. Nice to know fans are organizing.

I prefer the NHL-FU

...fans' union, of course.

#2335663 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 08 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

I suspect that Fehr isn't playing the game with just this lockout in mind. Its apparent that the players are unhappy with how often and willing the league is to use a lockout as leverage to get what they're looking for. Based on what I've heard through the players, Bettman, media, etc, it sounds like Fehr is trying to make this process as uncomfortable, difficult, and frustrating as possible for the owners (even if that means turning down an offer that seems relatively reasonable for the players).
I think there are two goals here: 1) To get a fair CBA, and 2) To prevent the owners and Bettman from wanting to lockout the players again after the new CBA expires.

#2335049 Most important moments in Wings history

Posted by Echolalia on 30 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

I think the Limo accident and Vladdy's injury changed this team forever....Lids and Vlad for 10 more years. Whoa

That amount of defensive eliteness was just too much for the universe to handle :(

#2334576 Martin Frk

Posted by Echolalia on 22 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

Maltby was a 50 goal scorer in juniors!

Edit: am I doing this right?

#2334350 Has your opinion of kenny changed?

Posted by Echolalia on 20 November 2012 - 01:09 PM

I still believe he did all he could reasonably do to address the issues the Wings' roster has, while not crippling other aspects of our organization, whether that be depth, finances, future, etc.

#2332489 What would your proposal be?

Posted by Echolalia on 23 October 2012 - 11:44 AM

All I care about is seeing current contracts honored fully. If that ends up being too much to ask and owners insist on a contract value reduction, then current contracted players should be able to opt out of their contracts if they so desire, which would make the contract void and those players become UFAs.
I wonder what sort of implications this would have. On one side, the owners are free from the massive contractual obligations that are allegedly crippling growth. On the other hand, these players are now UFAs likely to go to the highest bidder. Do owners refrain from paying more than they should this time around, or is everyone still payed the same, just for a different team? How many low/mid level players would opt out of their 2M contract to pursue a higher pay elsewhere?

#2331983 Best pure goal scorer for the Wings

Posted by Echolalia on 17 October 2012 - 03:13 PM

It would have been interesting to see the responses had Brunner been included in the list. Personally, I'm not holding my breath on a smooth transition for him into NA style hockey, but you cannot deny that he is a pure goal-scorer based on how he is lighting it up overseas. I hear his shot is reminiscent of Brett Hull, but I haven't seen him play yet...

#2331979 Perpetual line shuffling

Posted by Echolalia on 17 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

Bowman loved to shuffle lines like nobody's business. The degree to which he shuffled lines I think forced players to play on their toes and be especially aware of their surroundings, as well as force them to be receptive to their teammates, which results in a strong, unified team come playoffs. I suspect Babcock is following Bowman's philosophy, but to a lesser degree than Scotty applied it, and consequently we are seeing diminished effects.
But who knows, I'm not a coach. Bowman did a lot of things other coaches wouldn't dare try, even today.

#2331840 Who was the better Wing/Player? Yzerman or Lidstrom

Posted by Echolalia on 16 October 2012 - 09:14 PM

I think you are asking two unique question here, with different answers.

Who was the better Wing? Yzerman
Who was the better player? Lidstrom

#2331223 Russians Possibly Staying In KHL After Lockout

Posted by Echolalia on 10 October 2012 - 04:29 PM

Z should be in politics, "I know for a fact the Russians will probably stay." :lol:


This is what I came to post

#2331040 Former PA announcer Budd Lynch, 95, has passed away

Posted by Echolalia on 09 October 2012 - 10:06 AM

The guy was a staple of Red Wings hockey. I'll miss hearing his voice echo through the Joe.

#2330968 Project Unfollow-Hear the Fan's Voice

Posted by Echolalia on 08 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

The only thing that matters here is money, and like others have said, unfollowing NHL or some player or whoever won't amount to much or help solve the lockout issue.
Some folks suggest boycotting the NHL altogether, but that isn't viable either. We all understand just how passionately we love the game, and the moment the Wings take the ice again, everyone will be watching and spending money on memorabilia. Besides, a boycott punishes us as fans moreso than the big guys at the top, whose wallets are already quite stuffed.

As fans there is very little we can realistically do that will echo into the upper tiers of NHL management. But we aren't completely hopeless. Despite what they may want us to think, the NHL does not have a monopoly on hockey. There are other leagues around that can provide good entertainment. Instead of sitting the year out as a fan, stay invested in the game, but turn your attention (fully) to the Griffins, or the Whalers or whoever tickles your fancy. Spend the same amount of money on tickets as last year. You'll go to more games and have better seats! Buy a jersey and a hotdog on hotdog night. Go out to a local restaurant or bar before the game. Help the local economy.
If we're very very lucky and enough dollars are put into other leagues, it may remind the NHL and/or players how much their losing, and may entice them to reach an agreement sooner (although admittedly not likely). At the very least, us as fans still get to enjoy quality hockey, and check out some top prospects while we're at it, and maybe some of us will start a lifelong fandom into a totally new league. There's also the plus of helping out the local economy and financially backing some of these smaller teams. You would be spending all that money on the NHL anyway, so why not?
I know I'm already planning to take the 2.5 hour drive to Grand Rapids to catch the Griffins play a few games this year. If FSN gets enough votes the Griffins games will be televised, too (there's another thread floating around where you can cast your vote). I'll be staying at a hotel and eating at the local hot spots when I visit, and I'll be spending about as much as I would spend in Detroit if a lockout wasn't occurring.

#2330040 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 25 September 2012 - 03:52 PM

This is what I don't understand and maybe someone here can educate me.

I believe a fair and equitable agreement can be made between both sides. As has been pointed out numerous times, any two sides who were cooperative and were bargaining honestly could hammer out an agreement in a couple hours. I don't see many people on the sides of the owners here, and on the flip side I see many on the sides of the players. This makes sense due to the offers that were shelled out and Fehr's comments to the press. What I don't understand is why someone has to be either for or against one side. There is no looking at the big picture and seeing faults with both. There is no looking at the offers that were put forward and comparing/contrasting them.

I guess its a lot like religion or political preference. "If you aren't a (insert affiliate name here), then you are wrong" mentality. I guess that its time for fans to get mad, not take sides.

There are a handful of folks, including members of this board, who believe that both sides are being selfish and need to apply the actual definition of compromise to their "compromises".
On the second point I do agree with you. The owners vs players debate has a lot of political philosophy behind it, and those who identify as strictly republican or democrat may be influenced by their political beliefs when determining what side to support. In that sense it will be a tough sell to get someone to "see the other side".

#2328898 Wings sign Carlo Colaiacovo to 2 year deal, $2.5m cap hit

Posted by Echolalia on 15 September 2012 - 04:31 PM

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