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#2543383 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 22 October 2014 - 10:21 AM

 

All I can figure is that zone entries are a problem. They were an issue last season as well. That plus the insane fact that there is only one right-handed shot on the team and his name sure as hell isn't Alexander Ovechkin.  

 

This, and I'm surprised that zone entries are an issue with this team, and I disagree with the way that our coaches are trying to establish the offensive zone on the power play. 

 

The past decade or so, the Wings' identity has been all about meticulous puck possession, and precision-passing, and being very patient with the puck and waiting for a hole to briefly open up somewhere and exploit it.  We had the personnel to thread the needle on every play, and the intelligence to position ourselves one step ahead of the opposition.  That's how the Wings dominated the previous decade.  The past few years, while our roster has been largely the same, some key players retired, others got older and more broken-down, and all of a sudden the "well-oiled-machine" that was the Red Wings wasn't functioning like we expect it to.  Thankfully the kids came in last year and the team was able to keep the playoff streak alive, but wait, these kids are a whole different breed of hockey player than we're used to.  They're all fast and aggressive, and force the tempo of the game up on opposition.  This year the Wings look very different, and its not just the roster.  Its the way the team is approaching the game.  Instead of relying on precision passing, and superior hockey IQ, and patience, this team is playing hard and fast (like Brannigan's love), quick on the forecheck, quick on the backcheck, playing what can almost equate to an offensive swarm.  Even the defense have been getting involved, forcing the play at both blue-lines, and carrying the puck up more, instead of playing more passive and patient.  It has been awesome to watch at even-strength, and even if the Wings don't necessarily have the goals to show for their work, they certainly have created chances, power play opportunities, and limited the opposition from properly setting up their game plan.

So WHY is it that our team is still holding onto this "patience, and precision-passing and higher hockey IQ" identity on the powerplay?  I could understand it for a line that had Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Franzen, because they can still play that way.  But Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Helm (if he gets another crack at the PP), Smith (if he ever gets a crack at the PP), Dekeyser.  These kids are about speed.  Let's play to their strength and attack the neutral zone on the power play with speed and numbers.  If we have to chip the puck deep, lets continue to swarm the play and choke off the opposition.  They haven't been doing that.  They've been playing the patient game that isn't best suited for their skill-set.  And I think if the coaching staff gave them the green-light, we would see more zones established, more scoring chances, and more goals on the power play, at least from their line.  I'm willing to keep the old identity for the first power play line now that Datsyuk is back in the mold, but if line one is a change-up, line two needs to be a fastball.




#2543100 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 08:32 PM

Howard's bad pass save % is pretty good tonight




#2543020 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 08:02 PM

LGW has pointed out that this team has been without an identity since Lidstrom retired (or around then, more or less).  With the influx of these kids, all of whom know how to skate, I think its safe to say that the organization is fully embracing a fast game as the team's new identity.  The coaches have changed the game plan to embrace this, it seems, with an emphasis on hard forechecks, and even giving defense the green light to carry the puck through the neutral zone, and playing more aggressive on offensive zone pinches.




#2542872 Franzen to 7-day IR

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 04:10 PM

Send Miller down. Is anyone gonna claim him? No. Is anyone gonna be unhappy if someone does claim him? No. Will anyone say "damn, Miller would have had that? No. Simple solution. Jurco >>> Miller. Why protect Miller when you don't have to?

Given the way each of them have played so far this year, I'd rather keep Miller and send Jurco down.


#2542789 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 10:53 AM

I think most people are just a bit upset that we are not thru the process yet. 5 mil per is a lot to pay for a student when we had a younger version up to speed already in Filppula. Weiss was someone we were expecting to bring an element we were lacking. Now it just looks like we are trying desperately to get him up to Red Wings System material status instead of someone we rely on. That's a bit frustrating.

 

Definitely, its frustrating.  But in the meantime, the Wings are sitting pretty at 3-1-1 after their first week, against pretty solid competition.  Not only is this without our second line center in Weiss, but also our first line center in Datsyuk.  If Weiss is able to get up to speed and become the player that he's known to be, the Wings could be dangerous come playoff time.




#2542774 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 10:09 AM

 
I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's so easy to compare the Weiss situation to Zetterberg or Helm.  Those guys were returning to a system they knew, in positions they were familiar with, and the absolute confidence of the man dishing out the playing time.  None of which is true of Weiss.  I don't think (as I'm sure you'd agree) that Weiss gets an unlimited blank check because of this.  But two things jumped out to me after Weiss' first game back...
 
1)  "I've never played left wing in my life so that's tough too, trying to figure out the system as a winger. All of that stuff is tough. It was fun to be back in the mix, playing again in a game and hopefully we can do more here coming up." - Stephen Weiss
 
2)  "He got an opportunity to play in a game," Babcock said. "He didn't get a ton of opportunity but at least he got in the game and got some action going. Weisser, it's not going to happen overnight.
 
I'm not expecting a guy to look good in his first game back, in a new position, with the coach readily admitting that they're not giving him much of an opportunity. 
 
And then there's this, which is worth thinking about...
 
"But we're happy with him. We think he's going in the right direction. We think his attitude is great and we think he's working hard." -Babs

That last bit I found quite interesting, and Weiss said pretty much the same thing. It's going to be a process, and it's reassuring that the parties involved aren't looking at this as a failure like so many of us fans are, but rather as a small step in the right direction.


#2542621 Dan Rosen Pens a Great Piece on Babcock's Coaching Tree

Posted by Echolalia on 20 October 2014 - 01:19 PM

Babcock is a great coach, but do the players in Detroit still listen to his message?  We see players all the time in all sports eventually tuning out when a coaches message gets stale.  

I could see this happening maybe a couple years ago, or maybe a couple years from now, but right now a large chunk of our roster has only been playing in Babcock's system and listening to his message for a couple years, if that, so I doubt the message is stale on guys like Nyqvist, Tatar, etc. Maybe Datsyuk, or Zetterberg, or Kronwall, but these aren't exactly the types of players to turn a deaf ear to a coach, either.
For the record I think the Wings' solid start against legit Cup contenders and divisional opponents is a good indicator of the entire roster buying into the program.


#2542494 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 19 October 2014 - 01:19 PM

http://www.mlive.com...first_step.html

The quotes from this article make it seem like Weiss and Babcock know quite well that getting Weiss up to game speed and comfortable with our system is going to take time, and they're both willing to take it step by step.
It's also encouraging to hear that they thing he's making progress and going in the right direction.


#2542470 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 19 October 2014 - 09:37 AM

Couldn't watch the game but for sure happy watching these and hearing that the kids are doing fine. Watching Tatar, Nyquist and Sheahan and their speed is really nice. If we could just surround them with a gritty, tough as nails fourth line the Wings would become a very hard team to play against.
 
also lol @ Lupul for throwing Leafs fans under the bus who the hell he thinks he is ? Leafs fans are paying by far the highest ticket prices in the NHL and their reward is millionaires not working hard and then throwing fans under the bus ? wow maybe he should worry about his game and not giving interviews like a wannabe GM.

I know you're looking specifically for an Aaron Downey type, but truth be told our fourth line was probably already the toughest line for the Leafs to play against last night. I can recall one shift specifically against the Leafs top line where Glendening, Miller, and Andersson had the Leafs chasing in their own zone for a good 30-40 seconds, and generated a couple solid scoring chances as well.


#2542425 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 October 2014 - 09:30 PM

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lol his eyes, its like someone's holding a cookie behind the camera.




#2542409 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 October 2014 - 09:15 PM

How did Weiss look?

He apparently played 8 minutes, but I don't recall seeing him.




#2542396 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 October 2014 - 09:09 PM

wow, with 10 secs. To go too...nice!

Are we still counting GAA with under a minute?




#2542308 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 October 2014 - 08:25 PM

Checking in from the grocery store - my wofe wanted to pick up some things after my gig, what's the short version?

The Wings' fourth line has been the best line on the ice, but they don't know how to score goals so its 0-0 still.




#2541880 Toronto Radio: Illitch is selling everything and Babs will be Leafs GM

Posted by Echolalia on 17 October 2014 - 07:47 PM

Wow so read day th tree quality we can expect from sn f*** Rogers Would be said of the best owner sells the Wings

lol frank is stroking out SEND HELP


#2541840 10/17 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Maple Leafs 1

Posted by Echolalia on 17 October 2014 - 07:28 PM

Where is all this Franzen sucks talk coming from? He's been engaged, making plays, protecting the puck, and taking the puck to the net, which is everything LGW ******* that he doesn't do enough. Or does the one turnover where the puck bounced over his stick and subsequent penalty cancel all that out?