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#2465908 Why the Red Wings get injured

Posted by Echolalia on 18 December 2013 - 12:35 AM

Actually he took liberties BEFORE. Once Downey stepped in not only did it provide furhter momentum for the Red Wings, but it also sent a message to Colorado. What's so hard for you to understand that? It's high school deductive reasoning...


You should use some of that high school logic you seem to be so full of and reevaluate my post, as well as your own OP.  I don't care if Lapierre took liberties before, during, or after Downey's response, and based on your premise that an enforcer's presence prevents injuries, you shouldn't either.  You asked us all a question in the title of this thread, "Why the Red Wings get injured."  You immediately follow that up in the first sentence of your OP with "Because they have no legitimate enforcer."  Your argument can then be summed up as 'enforcers prevent injury'.  High school reasoning.  You also said in your OP that "If there were enforcers, teams would think twice before laying the hits on star players."  Again, that reinforces your assertion that the presence of an enforcer would prevent injuries to Red Wings.  Downey was dressed and actively used during the game when Lapierre hit and injured Lidstrom; ie Downey the enforcer was present.  Based on that example (one which you actually brought forth to the discussion), it is clear that your argument that an enforcer's presence prevents injury is effectively refuted.  Downey was present.  Lidstrom still got injured.

As for the fight providing momentum and sending a message to the Avs, again I invite you to reread your original post as well as mine.  We aren't discussing momentum-shifts or message sending.  I never mentioned it.  Your OP never mentioned it.  That is not the topic of this thread, and if you were interested in discussing that as the premise of your argument, you should have made that clear in your OP.  I expect better from someone who is so competent in high-school level logic to bring up irrelevant points to the subject as a response to my retort.  It's as Kip mentioned in the first page: you keep changing your tune.  Now, if you want to discuss whether the utilization of an enforcer shifts momentum or sends messages to the opposition, you're more than welcome to make a separate thread on those topics, assuming LGW can stomach yet another enforcer thread.  But whatever you do, don't bog this already shallow thread down with multiple topics of discussion.  Lets stick with injury prevention.

#2465396 Why the Red Wings get injured

Posted by Echolalia on 16 December 2013 - 10:21 PM

So in other words, Downey neutered Lapperrierre.  
Thanks for proving our point.  

I'm lost. What exactly is your guys' point? Because I thought the point of this thread was that the presence of an enforcer prevents injuries, based on the title of the thread and the OP's first sentence/response to his own question. In the case of Downey and Lappierre, Downey's presence did nothing to stop Lidstrom from getting hurt.
Now if the point has changed mid-thread to "enforcers fight other players after the damage has already been done", well I can't argue with that. Downey fought Lapierre after Lidstrom got hurt, and then the hockey game continued on.

#2463587 Petr Mrazek called up

Posted by Echolalia on 12 December 2013 - 12:53 PM

@NOTHeleneStJames: Cleary did not score on the play

#2463457 Zetterberg placed on LTIR

Posted by Echolalia on 11 December 2013 - 02:57 PM

Weiss goes down yet they move Z to LTIR to call up Mrazek.... that's not a good sign.

#2463407 Weiss, out Thursday (apparent groin/ab issue)

Posted by Echolalia on 11 December 2013 - 12:04 PM

Hopefully this is a good news kinda thing, not in the sense that Weiss is temporarily removed from the lineup, but in the sense that maybe Weiss has been trying to tough it out through an injury, and that may explain why he's been light on the puck and quick to pass to someone else when he does have possession.  Slump or no slump, Weiss' performance has not been typical of an NHL player.  If he has been playing through a groin injury, maybe a few weeks of rest will bring some spunk back to his game.

#2463333 Why does this team sleepwalk against bottom feeders?

Posted by Echolalia on 11 December 2013 - 12:03 AM

I guess the Wings just like taking it from the bottom.

#2461911 HBO 24/7

Posted by Echolalia on 07 December 2013 - 02:31 PM

I wonder what kind of bath towels Alfredsson uses

#2461781 12/6 GDT 7:00PM: Red Wings 3 at Devils 1

Posted by Echolalia on 06 December 2013 - 09:59 PM

I don't doubt that Ferraro would outplay Cleary, and Callahan would undoubtedly be a better option than Samuelsson.
I figure that's along the lines of what we'll see next season.

Is there a reference I'm not catching?

The reference itself is a joke because folks are using it as a rallying cry against Holland supposedly refusing to incorporate youth into the team. In reality, Holland saying kids are not the answer was specifically in response to whether Jurco would get called up to the Wings and contribute offensively. Most people seem to not realize this.

#2461366 Mike Commodore's experience with the Wings

Posted by Echolalia on 05 December 2013 - 11:11 PM

The stuff that he said about his time in Columbus made it seem like he likes to blame others and make excuses for why he isn't playing. After reading that I had a harder time believing his side of the story of his time in Detroit.
I also don't remember him standing out when he played.

But who knows.

#2461357 Darren Helm Injured

Posted by Echolalia on 05 December 2013 - 10:11 PM

before the season started I mentioned something about "we are going to struggle offensively, we would do well the first 30-40 games, then the size and toughness factor in the east would catch up to us". Z's back is something he will deal with for the rest of his career off and on. Glad he signed for 7 more years! Helm just doesn't have the size to hold up for the type of game he plays.
Sorry to be rude guys, but this stuff was predicted and we were warned. Flame away......

Every single season the Wings have injury problems like this. Excellent prediction...

#2460495 The Niklas Kronwall Appreciation Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 03 December 2013 - 05:53 PM

I know where you're coming from Dobbles, its just poor terminology when people refer to a "true #1 d-man", when they actually mean elite/HOF quality.  There are only about 3 active players that fit their criteria who are either elite offensively and very good defensively (or vice-versa) and if you're elite at both your name is Nick Lidstrom, Ray Bourque or Bobby Orr.


Kronwall is good to very good at both ends of the rink but is neither elite defensively (eg Chara, Webber) or elite offensively (eg Subban, Karlsson) to push him into that top-10.  He's in that next group down in the 10-20 ranking.


What annoys me is people don't apply the same strict criteria to other positions.  Where Crosby, Malkin and Stamkos are the only "true #1 centres" in the NHL.


I might be in the minority here, but I think Chara is one of the most overrated defensman in the league. 

#2460240 The Niklas Kronwall Appreciation Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 02 December 2013 - 08:38 PM

I hope the misconception that he isn't a number 1 defensman has faded. He's quietly been leading this team on defense and is among the top defensman statistically league-wide.
Edit: he has also turned blocking shots into an art-form, which I think is by far the most overlooked aspect of his game.

#2460061 Retaliation

Posted by Echolalia on 02 December 2013 - 12:59 AM

The Red Wings are built to play puck-possession hockey (or at least that's what Holland is aiming for), and not so much to play a overly physical, grinding, fast-paced emotional game. They can play tough when need be but it's not what we're built for, and 'retaliation' is essentially inviting the Wings and their opposition to play a style of hockey that we aren't the greatest at. They got the 2 points tonight and Ottawa didn't. In April that's all that will matter.

#2459455 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 30 November 2013 - 11:43 AM

I like Weiss and I think the signing when it happened....no doubt he has been a disappointment.

My question is....he is NOT a defensive liability so when we are up 4-0 or 5-0 like we have been the last 2 games, why not try and get him one? Get the monkey off his back. He must be beyond frustrated. Play him of the powerplay. The problem is confidence....he has ZERO and is starting to pass and defer.

If we are up, throw the guy a bone and let him play with Zetty and Franzen or Gus. Get him a goal and they will come.


Hopefully when Pavs and Bert return, Weiss is put on a line with them.  That way we don't ruin the phenomenal chemistry that the other three lines have also.

#2459000 Brendan Smith

Posted by Echolalia on 28 November 2013 - 10:48 AM

He's as confident as he's ever been out there, you can see it in his game.  Excellent for him and excellent for us