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#2537569 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 29 September 2014 - 12:12 PM


Helm says his groin is feeling good

#2537303 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by Echolalia on 25 September 2014 - 04:06 PM

I definitely think Red Wings fans place a higher premium on skill than most other fanbases, but do not forget that despite Holland's position on fighting, the Cup winning team's all had a physical presence. Some more than others. For example, the modern era Red Wings have yet to win a Cup without Darren McCarty in the lineup.

I don't think anyone believes that toughness and a strong physical presence isn't a good thing to have on a team. The issue pops up with how different folks define what toughness is. I personally find value in players who are strong in the corners and can protect the puck well, and retrieve loose pucks amidst slashes and cross checks and the like. I find value in players who can effectively drive the net and hold their ground there. I find value in players who can physically wear down on the opposition, through hard hits, relentlessness, good speed and pressure. I don't find much value (other than for entertainment and personal sadistic gain) in players fighting other players for hits or past issues, legal or otherwise. I don't think it deters anything (in fact I think it potentiates the issue, as Kip alluded to), and just slows the game down. But that's my personal stance on the issue. Obviously there are plenty of folks who think that Downey's presence on the roster gave the team the courage to win the game, or Drake's willingness to fight kept the opposition honest, whatever that means. I just don't buy that aspect of it.

#2537098 9/23 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 23 September 2014 - 09:11 PM

Franzen does look good
I feel our forward situation is good this year aside from injuries. I feel one of Smith in Kindl will be sitting for a guy from GR


I can see Kindl and Lashoff dropping in the depth chart for someone like Oulette, or if the Wings are desperate for some points from the back end, Sproul (although I think the former is more NHL ready).  Smith makes some bonehead plays on the ice from time to time, but he's definitely a level above Kindl and Lashoff, and has a higher ceiling than either as well.

#2537086 9/23 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 23 September 2014 - 08:56 PM

how is mr weiss looking. i see he has 2 block shots not bad but 25% in faceoffs


is he hitting, grinding, making anything happen?


The game as a whole is pretty sloppy, so its tough to gauge exactly what kind of player he can be just yet, but he definitely is skating better than anytime last year.  He's moving well, getting open, rushing to pucks, that sort of thing.

#2537056 9/23 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 23 September 2014 - 08:03 PM

I know its still early (and preseason) but Weiss has a hop to his step that I never saw last year.

#2536990 9/23 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 23 September 2014 - 01:11 PM

Hawks' Lines:













Its like there's still an inferiority complex going on

#2536845 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by Echolalia on 22 September 2014 - 07:25 PM

Nobody going after Bortuzzo do that against a Calgary player and you leave the game in a different way...


You mean up 8-0?

#2536673 Training Camp Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 20 September 2014 - 07:21 PM


Apparently Cleary has looked good so far?

Also this link has a bit of an overview of how certain players look, at least from one person's perspective;

#2536665 Training Camp Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 20 September 2014 - 03:38 PM

Stats from game 2: http://www.pointstre...?gameid=2527377
Weiss finishing with 0 points and a minus 2.   :/
Then again, Abdelkader was scoring like 2 goals a game last camp, so I guess can't read TOO much into it yet. 

Someone in the comments section in the link Dirtydangles posted noted that Weiss has looked really good out there so far, despite the stats.

#2536365 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 16 September 2014 - 06:36 PM

Awesome to finally hear it, and I think it's an entirely fair deal as well. Yeah, he's our second/third best defensman, but that's given a sample size of one season. It's also on a defensive core that isn't too impressive personelle wise. A two year deal gives the organization some time to see what kind of player this kid will actually turn out to be, and the plus for Dekeyser is that he should be approaching his prime when it's time to write the next contract (read: $$$). Meanwhile, Holland still has some cash to work with, depending on if Alfie plays, or perhaps some moves at the deadline.


edit:  according to puckdaddy, the main sticking point seemed to be a long term contract vs a shorter term, with Dekeyser wanting to be locked up long-term.  Also, I didn't realize he will still be an RFA when this contract expires??


#2536364 2014 Prospects Tournament and Training Camp (Sept. 12-23)

Posted by Echolalia on 16 September 2014 - 06:30 PM


Mantha with a rocket at 6:40

#2536324 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 16 September 2014 - 04:03 PM

He's an RFA with less than a year's experience in the NHL. Regardless of how good a season Dekeyser had, it's not like he has much bargaining power to work with.

#2535958 How Do You Like Your Equipment?

Posted by Echolalia on 11 September 2014 - 11:31 AM

So I've been playing hockey since I was a kid.  Growing up, my coaches always used me as more of a defensive forward, because I was a taller, lankier kid with long arms in high school.  I also got used to playing with hockey sticks that weren't cut, so the butt of the stick often came up to my eyes/nose when I stood the stick up (ie really long reach, excellent poke-checking capabilities).  This is the way I've had my hockey sticks ever since, even though the role on my teams has gradually shifted to more of an offensive playmaker/scorer type.  The biggest issue I've had with my game is that my shot is fairly weak, and it takes me longer than I'd like to set up for a shot.  In order to remedy this, I tried cutting to a much shorter stick, with the thought that my lower hand will be closer to the blade of the stick and I'll be able to put more muscle into my shots now, and with a shorter stick the puck will be closer to me and I'll be more ready to shoot the puck from stick-handling, instead of having the puck another foot out from my body and having to take an extra step to pull it in before shooting with the longer stick.


The stick is now cut so the butt comes up to my collarbone when I'm on skates, so its a good 6 to 7 inches shorter than what I'm used to.  I've played one game with it like this and I can't believe how different the experience is.  With a shorter stick, it forces me to have more bend in my knees and at the hips just to keep the blade flat on the ice, so I find that my skating is more explosive.  Previously I was more of a back-is-straight kind of skater and most of the work came just from my knees.  I also find that I am way tougher to get the puck from in tight spaces.  There were several times in the last game where I was able to fight through poke checks or resist stick-lifts, or come out of a scrum of guys in the corner and still maintain possession of the puck.  I owe this to the fact that I'm able to put more of my weight through my lower hand and into the stick, and my body overall is closer to the ice, and thus harder to move.

Stick-handling/deking I would say has gone back a step, although I was doing much better with toe-drags.  With the longer stick, my range for stick-handling was pretty wide, and I could go wide left to wide right on a defender quickly, and be out of his range on both sides, so getting around guys was pretty easy if I could just find the holes. Now its a bit more of a challenge, and I need to change my game to be more comfortable stick-handling closer to my body, and relying more on foot speed.

Defensively I didn't feel that much of a disadvantage.  My range is definitely smaller, but I think the increase in speed that I got from playing with more bend at my knees and hips made up for the shorter range in most cases.

As for shooting power/speed of setting up the shot (which is the whole reason for the change), the jury is still out.  I can definitely get my shots off quicker, because I'm stick-handling pretty much right in my wheelhouse now instead of away from my body, and I feel like I can put more mustard onto my shots as well.  The problem is I'm so used to shooting the puck when its further out from my body, so there were many times where I would shoot the puck and not even make solid contact becauseI had pushed the puck too far from my body.  Unfortunately this happened during the shootout, where I whiffed on the puck and didn't even get a real shot off...  This is going to take some time to get used to. 

Overall I'm really excited about the changes, and I'm looking forward to getting back on the ice to keep working on getting more comfortable with a shorter stick.


Anyway I figured that I'd share my experience, partly because before I decided to go to a shorter stick I did some research online to see whether anyone else had gone through the transition, or could summarize their opinion of the pros/cons of long vs short sticks.  There wasn't much out there and it was mostly all the same stuff that people were repeating (a stick should go between your nose and your chin on skates, longer stick = harder shot, shorter stick= better deking etc), and after going through with it first hand, I've noticed that its more complicated than all the generalizations that are published online.

And for conversation sake, I was interested to hear how you guys and gals prefer your equipment and why, and whether you've made any changes to accommodate a change in the type of game you play.  It could be hockey stick, skates, gloves, anything.


edit: this also gives us something to talk about that isn't Dekeyser still hasn't signed!  Alfie is injured!  Cleary is wasting a roster spot!  etc

#2535735 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Echolalia on 08 September 2014 - 11:44 AM


I'll give you Alfredsson and Weiss but it's not like there was a huge bidding war for them. As far as I remember, for both those players, only us and one other team were even interested. DeKeyser is a hometown boy so no points on that on and I'm too unfamiliar with Nosek to even comment on him. 


All I know is that it feels like for the last 5 years or so, players are always taking another team over us. I mean, do you simply refuse to acknowledge the fact we struck out on every single player we went after this season (and there were a LOT of them)?

I may be remembering incorrectly but I think there were several teams interested in Alfredsson, and several more that were interested in Weiss. 

As for this year, there were what, five players that the Wings targeted that weren't signed, and the Wings are one team in a league of 30.  The odds are NEVER going to be in our favor to sign any particular player, especially when said player is besties with the coach in Washington, and that other player wants to be with his family in Minnesota, etc etc.


side note: Funny that this article was posted on mlive this morning, because it mentions goaltender prospect Jared Coreau picked the Wings over seven other teams back when he was a free agent.  He did this knowing he would be just one goalie in an organization that already includes Howard, Gustavson, Mrazek, McCollum, and Peterson.  But he picked the Wings because of the system's ability to develop players properly.  So there you go. http://www.mlive.com...jared_core.html

#2535535 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 04 September 2014 - 09:03 AM

Forgive my ignorance, but how much do the Wings have left in cap space, and how much can Alfie command at this stage of his career?

According to capgeek the Wings are rolling with a bit under $5.3M.  One of the issues is Quincey received a raise and is earning $4.25M, and Dekeyser outplayed in him just about every aspect last year.  Dekeyser is also younger and his ceiling is likely much higher than Quincey's, so Dekeyesr's agent can work from a point of strength on that comparison.  Another issue is even though Alfredson is old and missed a lot of last season with injuries, he was still the Wings' leading scorer, and the presumption is that if he does play this season, it is because he feels he will be healthier (and thus more effective) than last year.  So Alfie's camp also has a good argument to make a good chunk of that $5.3M the Wings have.  Obviously Holland wants both guys, and its going to take some cooperation from all three camps to get a deal done that works for everyone.  But in the mean time, Holland needs to know if Alfredson is even going to play, and until then, I imagine nobody is in a hurry to get a contract done.

But this is all just speculation on my part.