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#2545468 10/29 GDT - Red Wings 4 @ Capitals 2

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 09:32 PM

Jurco and Nesty have100X more energy than Franzen and actually have the other team turning around to watch them scrambling all over the ice.  Franzen one dimensional and ALL teams know his inconsistencies... I am not denying the fact that before his well expected injury, he was playing good. I did praise him by saying one game "Who is this Franzen guy and what did he do with my Francine..." but that doesn't mean that he is going to bring anything more to the table that he doesn't normally bring.  I guess I should have used the term IMO, he is replaceable. I happen to think that the chemistry that Jurco brings to this team with Tatar and Sheahan, is better than throwing Franzen in there to float around and put up 5 points in 4 games every couple of months...then get injured again.  The team is cruising along no worse now than what it was with him in the lineup, and its not like he is going to return and put up 40 goals this season, he is not a difference maker. That is the tell-tale right there.

When Jurco and Nestrasil have a season where they put up more points than Franzen (or even close to what Franzen puts up) come back and we'll talk.

#2545324 10/29 GDT - Red Wings 4 @ Capitals 2

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 08:36 PM

Don't look now but Abby has 7 points so far this year, playing on the top line, and not all of them are a result of Datsyuk banking a shot off of him.

#2545025 Wings great Gordie Howe resting after 'serious stroke'

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 05:57 PM

Sorry but this is just sad and cruel don't you think his sons, daughters would love seeing him around a few more years ? I cringe everytime thinking about how hard that must be for family members, I could never stomach witnessing the maybe last days in someones life thats just .. ..horrible
his son is a doctor he should do everything he can to extend his life

There's only so much medicine can do. In the case of a stroke, the brain tissue that is affected is literally dead already. Even for a younger person with access to the best medical care, teaching the surviving portion of the brain to literally relearn all those lost motor skills is a long and tough process. Add that to the fact that Howe also has been battling dementia for the past few years, and he's already quite old, and the odds aren't looking too great. I wish the guy the best, as well as his family, but unfortunately sometimes the best means a comfortable passing, surrounded by your loved ones. Obviously I hope that isn't the case and he rebounds from this.

#2545012 Chara out 4-6 weeks with knee injury

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 05:26 PM

My point is they've already asked for mantha, nyquist, and Larkin. They can't ask for more than that really unless they asked for this year's first as well but no team would give up that much no matter how desperate

Yeah I didn't get that point on first read through, sorry. The fact that Myers hasn't been moved yet I think is indicative that Buffalo has been overvaluing him in a trade. The problem is with how bad they're crashing right now, Myers' stock certainly isn't rising.

#2545003 Chara out 4-6 weeks with knee injury

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 04:45 PM

I've said this before. What more could they ask for?

They can ask for all they want, but it's clear Holland (rightfully) isn't willing to part with our top young players/prospects.

#2544863 Weiss sent down to GR- conditioning assignment

Posted by Echolalia on 28 October 2014 - 05:18 PM

This is good. Many of us suspected his biggest problem is getting comfortable with the system and back up to NHL game speed after not playing for the better part of two years. The AHL gives him this opportunity without compromising the Wings' chances of winning each night.

Edit: anything following "From what I gather..." coming from St. James I take as meaning "I'm completely guessing here but don't want to come off as uninformed..."

#2544752 Rating the Defense through 6 games

Posted by Echolalia on 27 October 2014 - 03:18 PM

Krsmith its hard to be wrong when you're advocating for change in a powerplay that's currently sitting at 6.7%.  I've been a big supporter in Smith seeing some powerplay time, but after giving it some more thought I wonder if we're overestimating his ability.  I'm going just off memory so I may be way off-base, but it seems like most of Smith's offensive chances are generated on stepping into a play where a turnover occurs and leads to the opposition being out of position, or if the other team's defense over-commits to one side of the ice and Smith steps into the soft space at the opposite faceoff circle.  Smith is a very opportunistic player.  Those opportunities don't pop up on a powerplay, because the shorthanded team is obviously playing conservatively.  Having said that, I'm still eager to give the kid a real chance at the powerplay, because he clearly has an offensive mind, even if it doesn't necessarily show in his statistics.

Quite frankly, what we need is someone who can score from the blueline.  Other teams know after Kronwall, the chances of our defenders putting one in the back of the net is slim.  You can see how their penalty kill is set up, with a lot more pressure down low, while our defenders have the time and space for a one-timer, but other teams are fine with that risk.  Adding a howitzer from the point keeps the pk more spread out and opens up more space down low, because now the opposition has to respect our D.  This, I don't think Smith will do (or anyone on our team, save Kronwall, for that matter).  Maybe there's someone in the pipeline that can fill this void, but until then, the Wings need to get more creative.

#2543389 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 22 October 2014 - 11:44 AM

Granato ran Pittsburgh's powerplay last year and they were tied for first with Washington with 23.4%. Maybe he should coach both the PP and PK and have whoever's running the PP now go fetch him coffee.

I thought he was in charge of PP

#2543383 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 22 October 2014 - 10:21 AM


All I can figure is that zone entries are a problem. They were an issue last season as well. That plus the insane fact that there is only one right-handed shot on the team and his name sure as hell isn't Alexander Ovechkin.  


This, and I'm surprised that zone entries are an issue with this team, and I disagree with the way that our coaches are trying to establish the offensive zone on the power play. 


The past decade or so, the Wings' identity has been all about meticulous puck possession, and precision-passing, and being very patient with the puck and waiting for a hole to briefly open up somewhere and exploit it.  We had the personnel to thread the needle on every play, and the intelligence to position ourselves one step ahead of the opposition.  That's how the Wings dominated the previous decade.  The past few years, while our roster has been largely the same, some key players retired, others got older and more broken-down, and all of a sudden the "well-oiled-machine" that was the Red Wings wasn't functioning like we expect it to.  Thankfully the kids came in last year and the team was able to keep the playoff streak alive, but wait, these kids are a whole different breed of hockey player than we're used to.  They're all fast and aggressive, and force the tempo of the game up on opposition.  This year the Wings look very different, and its not just the roster.  Its the way the team is approaching the game.  Instead of relying on precision passing, and superior hockey IQ, and patience, this team is playing hard and fast (like Brannigan's love), quick on the forecheck, quick on the backcheck, playing what can almost equate to an offensive swarm.  Even the defense have been getting involved, forcing the play at both blue-lines, and carrying the puck up more, instead of playing more passive and patient.  It has been awesome to watch at even-strength, and even if the Wings don't necessarily have the goals to show for their work, they certainly have created chances, power play opportunities, and limited the opposition from properly setting up their game plan.

So WHY is it that our team is still holding onto this "patience, and precision-passing and higher hockey IQ" identity on the powerplay?  I could understand it for a line that had Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Franzen, because they can still play that way.  But Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Helm (if he gets another crack at the PP), Smith (if he ever gets a crack at the PP), Dekeyser.  These kids are about speed.  Let's play to their strength and attack the neutral zone on the power play with speed and numbers.  If we have to chip the puck deep, lets continue to swarm the play and choke off the opposition.  They haven't been doing that.  They've been playing the patient game that isn't best suited for their skill-set.  And I think if the coaching staff gave them the green-light, we would see more zones established, more scoring chances, and more goals on the power play, at least from their line.  I'm willing to keep the old identity for the first power play line now that Datsyuk is back in the mold, but if line one is a change-up, line two needs to be a fastball.

#2543100 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 08:32 PM

Howard's bad pass save % is pretty good tonight

#2543020 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 08:02 PM

LGW has pointed out that this team has been without an identity since Lidstrom retired (or around then, more or less).  With the influx of these kids, all of whom know how to skate, I think its safe to say that the organization is fully embracing a fast game as the team's new identity.  The coaches have changed the game plan to embrace this, it seems, with an emphasis on hard forechecks, and even giving defense the green light to carry the puck through the neutral zone, and playing more aggressive on offensive zone pinches.

#2542872 Franzen to 7-day IR

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 04:10 PM

Send Miller down. Is anyone gonna claim him? No. Is anyone gonna be unhappy if someone does claim him? No. Will anyone say "damn, Miller would have had that? No. Simple solution. Jurco >>> Miller. Why protect Miller when you don't have to?

Given the way each of them have played so far this year, I'd rather keep Miller and send Jurco down.

#2542789 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 10:53 AM

I think most people are just a bit upset that we are not thru the process yet. 5 mil per is a lot to pay for a student when we had a younger version up to speed already in Filppula. Weiss was someone we were expecting to bring an element we were lacking. Now it just looks like we are trying desperately to get him up to Red Wings System material status instead of someone we rely on. That's a bit frustrating.


Definitely, its frustrating.  But in the meantime, the Wings are sitting pretty at 3-1-1 after their first week, against pretty solid competition.  Not only is this without our second line center in Weiss, but also our first line center in Datsyuk.  If Weiss is able to get up to speed and become the player that he's known to be, the Wings could be dangerous come playoff time.

#2542774 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 10:09 AM

I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's so easy to compare the Weiss situation to Zetterberg or Helm.  Those guys were returning to a system they knew, in positions they were familiar with, and the absolute confidence of the man dishing out the playing time.  None of which is true of Weiss.  I don't think (as I'm sure you'd agree) that Weiss gets an unlimited blank check because of this.  But two things jumped out to me after Weiss' first game back...
1)  "I've never played left wing in my life so that's tough too, trying to figure out the system as a winger. All of that stuff is tough. It was fun to be back in the mix, playing again in a game and hopefully we can do more here coming up." - Stephen Weiss
2)  "He got an opportunity to play in a game," Babcock said. "He didn't get a ton of opportunity but at least he got in the game and got some action going. Weisser, it's not going to happen overnight.
I'm not expecting a guy to look good in his first game back, in a new position, with the coach readily admitting that they're not giving him much of an opportunity. 
And then there's this, which is worth thinking about...
"But we're happy with him. We think he's going in the right direction. We think his attitude is great and we think he's working hard." -Babs

That last bit I found quite interesting, and Weiss said pretty much the same thing. It's going to be a process, and it's reassuring that the parties involved aren't looking at this as a failure like so many of us fans are, but rather as a small step in the right direction.

#2542621 Dan Rosen Pens a Great Piece on Babcock's Coaching Tree

Posted by Echolalia on 20 October 2014 - 01:19 PM

Babcock is a great coach, but do the players in Detroit still listen to his message?  We see players all the time in all sports eventually tuning out when a coaches message gets stale.  

I could see this happening maybe a couple years ago, or maybe a couple years from now, but right now a large chunk of our roster has only been playing in Babcock's system and listening to his message for a couple years, if that, so I doubt the message is stale on guys like Nyqvist, Tatar, etc. Maybe Datsyuk, or Zetterberg, or Kronwall, but these aren't exactly the types of players to turn a deaf ear to a coach, either.
For the record I think the Wings' solid start against legit Cup contenders and divisional opponents is a good indicator of the entire roster buying into the program.