Jump to content

Echolalia's Photo


Member Since 21 Mar 2007
Offline Last Active Yesterday, 10:28 PM

#2550832 Clearly and Nestrasil in

Posted by Echolalia on 21 November 2014 - 05:52 PM

Babs mentioned that Cleary took lead of the team on the bench prior to the Wings waking up against the Jets. Maybe there's more to his off-ice intangibles than we figured.

#2550831 CBJ's Jack Johnson files for bankruptcy

Posted by Echolalia on 21 November 2014 - 05:48 PM

There's got to be something to it.  When I went to Central I thought that my buddies and I could drink, and we really could drink...a lot.  But then I visited some friends at Michigan Tech.  Jesus Christ.  It's really hard to explain the kind of drinking they do.  It's like nothing I've ever seen.  Natty Ice might as well be water up there. 
So I strongly believe that the colder it is, and the more isolated it is, the harder people drink.  Which is why everbody in DC drinks for s***. 

Lol I know a couple guys who live in the UP year round. Well they have a joke that they know how many days of winter they had by counting the Crown bags that pile up in their house.

#2550635 11/20 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Jets 3

Posted by Echolalia on 20 November 2014 - 10:27 PM

Abdelkader has been killing it this year

#2550317 Smith and Ericcsson?

Posted by Echolalia on 20 November 2014 - 05:47 PM


Maybe Foligno said something about Smith's mother.  Maybe something happened earlier in the game between those two.  Who knows why they fought.  There are plenty of fights during games that are blowouts, and it always takes two to tango. Smith didn't do anything selfish by fighting.  Selfish would be a retaliatory penalty that costs the team a powerplay goal.  Smith wasn't thinking about getting potentially injured, nor should he, so I wouldn't call it a selfish decision because he got hurt.  It just happened.  


This I disagree with.

There was nothing the team could have gained by Smith getting into the fight  The game was already comfortably under control in the Wings' favor.  Smith, on the other hand, could have repaired his own damaged ego (or his mother's if that's the case), or seeked retribution for a hit he didn't like, but those are personal reasons to fight that have nothing to do with the team's odds for victory.  So in this case, the only one who's getting any potential benefit out of this is Smith, and its an entirely emotional benefit.

As for risk, well there is always a risk of injury when getting into a fight, and everyone should weigh that risk against the potential benefit when choosing to partake.  There is also the guarantee that your team will have to play without you for the next five minutes, which is a more serious situation when the fighter is a defensman, becuase there's only six of those total to begin with.  If you're one of the folks who believe that fights can be a rallying point to boost team morale and get everyone more engaged in the game, then there's also the risk of firing the other team up, and potentialy losing a game that your team was winning.  So in terms of risk, Smith is risking his health, he's risking his team losing control over the game, he's putting Babcock and his teammates in a tougher spot because they have to pick up his slack while he sits in the box, and if he happens to get injured in the fight (which he happened to get injured), then Babcock and his teammates are in a tougher spot for the next several days, instead of just five minutes.

So lots of risk and disadvantages that the whole team has to carry, so Smith can resolve a personal vendetta that he has in the waning minutes of a game.  I'd say that's quite selfish.

#2550300 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by Echolalia on 20 November 2014 - 05:02 PM

If Cleary wasn't on the team then some other prospect, likely Callahan would have been up, and we still would have lost one of the two of Callahan or Neatrasil to waivers. This doesn't have as much to do with Cleary being on the team as it does Jurco being eligible to bypass waivers, but not be sent down (which if you're into the whole "the best man plays" philosophy, was the correct decision). Anyway, Neatrasil was riding pine here. Now he may at least have a chance to continue his career.

#2550136 Smith and Ericcsson?

Posted by Echolalia on 20 November 2014 - 11:35 AM

Yep. I think it could have been handled better - simply just for precautionary measures, beyond the possibility of infection. Considering where they were in the game (which is basically my point, but by all means, keep focusing on the infection aspect and giving me a detailed history on "Fluky Hand Injuries: NHL Coaches and the Players They've Doghoused). Just my opinion on it.

I think a more reasonable approach would be to not fight to begin with

#2550036 Smith and Ericcsson?

Posted by Echolalia on 19 November 2014 - 02:29 PM

Holland has sissified the poor kid.  Smith used to fight more frequently in his younger days.  Now he's having problems due to this lame fight?    


Nothing like pure testosterone and extra hair on the chest to keep an infection from setting in.

#2549849 11/18 GDT Red Wings 5 @ Blue Jackets 0

Posted by Echolalia on 18 November 2014 - 08:50 PM

nice block by Franzen! Followed up by af****** lazy play... I know he was tired, but not only was Gus flying waiting for the pass, he actually called out "hey Mule!" Franzen looked right him, stopped skating and lobbed it in on goal for an easy freeze. Just because you're lazy Franzen, doesn't mean the whole team is! He should have passed it to Gus at then went off, Gus has the energy and attitude we need, Franzen just slows his team down...

Franzen made the right play. Him and Zetterberg were both dead from a long shift and needed to go to the bench. Franzen can make the pass, but there's a bigger risk of that leading to a neutral zone turnover (puck bounces over Nyqvist's stick, defender pinches and intercepts the pass, it's not an accurate pass etc), which could be lethal with your forwards tired, especially in the second period with the long change. He had a clean path to center ice with practically no risk of losing the puck. That was just a matter of making the safest play to ensure his line got off without any casualties.

#2549551 Wings call up McCollum, assign Mrazek to Grand Rapids

Posted by Echolalia on 17 November 2014 - 01:39 PM

Under the main forum page, when this thread is the most recently updated, the title says "Wings call up McCollum, ass..."


And it makes me chuckle every time.

#2549181 Malkin hit on Girardi

Posted by Echolalia on 16 November 2014 - 11:21 AM

I don't mind the scuffle at all....who cares of it's dirty or clean?  You don't want your players getting drilled like that.  If Crosby got lit up like that on a perfectly clean hit, if there is no response, then I can easily write that team off as having no chance of success.

It's hockey. People are going to get hit. And acting tough after one of your boys gets drilled isn't going to change that.

#2549114 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by Echolalia on 15 November 2014 - 12:58 PM

Thanks for the eval krsmith.

#2548579 Ranking Wings Players by Draft Order

Posted by Echolalia on 11 November 2014 - 03:09 PM

You could invert that list and make it look more sensical.

#2548506 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by Echolalia on 10 November 2014 - 04:14 PM

Exactly... AND vice versa... Like I said, Howard is not the issue, it's a team issue. The team hasn't been good at shootouts.


I think primariy its coming down to confidence, these days.  Their body language during shootouts doens't exactly scream "I'm going to score"

#2547968 GDT 11/5/14--Wings @ Rangers

Posted by Echolalia on 07 November 2014 - 09:18 PM

I think many advanced stats can be extremely misleading as well.  They have to be looked at together and with the eyeball test. 
Plus-minus I think is really only useful then you're comparing players on one team.  If one has an extremely high or extremely low +/-, there's something going on there.  But it still doesn't say much beyond that.

It's also important to keep track of how the players are being used. When the coach is only putting you on the ice for offensive zone faceoffs, your +/- may be skewed in your favor. Meanwhile, the guys who are getting all the defensive zone faceoffs have many more opportunities to develop a lower +/-. Likewise, as a 4th liner, your goal isn't necessarily to score goals, so they play more defensive minded. More or less if you can get it to center ice and dump it in, it's a successful shift, so I would expect to see +/- closer to 0 for grinders than for top liners, whom are expected to take more chances and score (also more vulnerable to goals against in many cases). These guys I would expect to see more of a variation.
So I don't know if it's fair to use +/- as a main argument to compare players who are used for different roles.

#2547801 Leafs' Ashton suspended 20 games for violating PED policy

Posted by Echolalia on 07 November 2014 - 04:58 PM

I don't understand the people in this thread that are saying its telling that he isn't appealing it.
Whats to appeal?  He himself admits that he took it.

I think I'm the only person who said this, so I suppose this is directed at me.
I think it's telling because 20 games is a long suspension regardless of what the crime is, and we've seen several players try to repeal their suspensions in the past, even after being established as a guilty party. These repeal attempts have typically been for things more severe than taking a couple hits off an inhaler to treat an alleged asthma. They have also been from people who were obviously wrong in their actions, but also thought the punishment didn't fit the crime. If Ashton sincerely only took a couple puffs specifically for bronchospasms and he can back this up from the diagnosis by his team doctor, I think he would repeal the suspension. 20 games is a long time to sit for an honest mistake. It isn't quite as long a time to sit for someone with a guilty conscious who knows he's busted.