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#2541543 10/15 GDT : Bruins 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 16 October 2014 - 03:32 PM

Here's another reason why.  His best statistical shootout performers on the team (last night) are Tatar, Zetterberg, and Franzen.  Tatar's probably the best of the bunch (or was last year).  Now, even if he was slated to shoot last (as some have speculated) it's still a bad decision by Babcock because there's a 100% chance your first and second shooters will get to shoot.  There a less than 100% chance your third shooter will get to shoot.  By putting your best shooter (from a year ago) in the third spot you're reducing the likelihood he can contribute in a positive way.  There's a reason Datyuk ALWAYS shoots first and not third...they don't want to take the stick out of his hands (so to speak).  So even IF you're going to experiment with a rookie third liner in the shootout (which you shouldn't if you've got better choices)...you should have him shoot third, not first.  
Why is what I'm saying sof****** controversial?  Oh, because I'm criticizing Babcock, that's why. 

The best statistical shooters on the team last year were Eaves , Helm, and Tatar. Eaves isn't on the team anymore. Helm converted on 1 of 2 attempts for 50% total. Tatar converted on 33% for third best on the team. Not very good odds.
Zetterberg was 0 for 4, which means last year he was not among the best shootout players on the team. He was tied for the worst. Franzen was also tied for the worst with a total of 0 shootout goals.
So I'm not surprised to see Nestrasil get the nod over Zetterberg and Franzen. Statistically speaking there's literally no way he could perform any worse than what we've come to expect of them. When your team is as bad as the Wings have been in the recent past in shootout attempts, it's not that difficult to crack the top 3 as a new face from the AHL.
I'm surprised that Nyqvist got the nod over Tatar in the shootout, though, but maybe Babs was trying to ride a hot hand through the shootout.

#2541296 10/15 GDT : Bruins 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 15 October 2014 - 09:39 PM

So we add how many great saves to the Howard thread?

They've all been average. Zero great saves.

#2541287 10/15 GDT : Bruins 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 15 October 2014 - 09:37 PM

Sure but how's his bad-pass goals against

#2541026 10/15 GDT : Bruins 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 15 October 2014 - 08:17 PM

Average save at best

#2540538 LGW Moderator Problems

Posted by Echolalia on 13 October 2014 - 05:54 PM

I personally don't see much of a problem with the moderation. In terms of the thread that was locked in GDT, the vast majority of us saw where that thread was headed just based on the OP. People commented, gave their opinions, things started going sour, and the mods still kept the thread alive, based on what small chance that it had of actually succeeding. This warning came amidst a sespool of attacks that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. After the warning, instead of trying to get the thread back on topic, the subject abruptly changes to discussing how terrible the moderation is.... In a Jimmy Howard thread (that in actuality was a Jimmy Howard bashing thread). I really don't see why people are suprised or angry that that particular thread was closed.
As for the particular post of the guy eating popcorn (or whatever it was) that was an immediate response to the initial warning, I probably personally wouldn't have deleted it, but I'm also not a mod that has to deal with cleaning up our garbage every day, so I might be a little naive. But even going off of basic thread etiquette that post was further detailing and already fragile thread. That kind of stuff had better chance of staying alive in a healthier thread, not one where the mods are already pissed off.

#2540247 10/11/14 GDT: Game 2 | Ducks 3 @ Red Wings 2

Posted by Echolalia on 11 October 2014 - 09:19 PM

I got all caught up in the non-call, but in the replay Ericsson's blunder is the worst. He just stands there, and at the VERY end makes a slight effort to start skating... then kind of stops again. He easily could have gotten in there and prevented a decent shot if he just took a couple steps forward. He wasn't even in position to protect a pass really. Not sure what he was doing out there.

For the most part, I think it was the right play. He was covering the right side of the net in case Getzlaf passed to Kesler. If the pass goes through, Ericsson is in good position to block the shot, especially if you add in a push-off from the crease to cut down the angle. Kesler wasn't that far off the post so it wouldn't take more than one good stride/push to get up into Kesler's grill. This is also why Ericsson was on the right side of the net, and not situated between Getzlaf and Kesler like a typical two-on-one would be.
At the same time, Ericsson needs to respect Getzlaf, which is also why he played the two-on-one so close to Jimmy. Getzlaf had half the crease/net to work with before he's in Ericsson's reach. If Ericsson commits any more to Kesler, Getzlaf has even more space, which is a no-no.
The one thing I would have liked to see is Ericsson close Getzlaf into his side of the ice by diving out on top of the crease as Getzlaf approached. At that point, cutting the top of the crease off would have effectively prevented any pass attempts cuz Getzlaf is already in so tight, but it would also cut down Getzlaf's space even more. He'd still get a point-blank shot off, but that space over Jimmy's shoulder would have been a smaller target.

#2540229 10/11/14 GDT: Game 2 | Ducks 3 @ Red Wings 2

Posted by Echolalia on 11 October 2014 - 08:55 PM

Thank god the season is 82 games long. If the Wings keep playing the way they have been over these first two games, this loss (and the nonpenalty) won't mean a thing.
Having said that, this team looks like an entirely new team compared to last year. They've been really fun to watch so far, and at least through two games, the overall team approach is much different than in the past. The Wings' strategy is much more aggressive and based on speed, which is wonderful to see, because I don't think the coaching staff realized just how quick this next generation of Wings are until they were in the lineup last year. We've been without a solid identity the past few years, but it looks like they're fully embracing quickness, at least based on two games of hockey.

#2539634 Kindl on the block

Posted by Echolalia on 09 October 2014 - 09:31 PM


Kindl played a real live nhl game and allowed 0 goals while he was on the ice and had a shot on net and a very wise 2 minute penalty that would have def been a goal and lead his team to victory please trade with us now

#2539128 HELP!

Posted by Echolalia on 08 October 2014 - 05:30 PM

Started to read and thought it said " help have a man in my basement"

Haha me too!  I was like "well bless you for coming to us first"


LGW.... removing men from basements since 1996

#2539101 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Echolalia on 08 October 2014 - 02:59 PM

Just give Weiss a chance I really don't get it. Guy was brought here for a reason for that money. I loved him in Florida you can't tell me he can't play anymore/lost all his talent. Give him a couple good linemates and he will produce. I would put money on it


I'm sure that's the eventual plan, but I think right now the big thing is getting him back to game form.  He's been off the ice for the greater part of two years, and now that's he's ready to come back, its with a team/system/coach that he hasn't really had an opportunity to play with at 100%.  He had a hop in his step during the preseason that was absent all last year, and he was looking to get involved more, but Weiss' timing was way off.  He wasn't completing passes well, he didn't seem in synch with his line-mates, or the game overall, for that matter.  I don't know what Babcock and co are thinking with benching him because I obviously don't have access to the practices or lockerroom, but I have to imagine that they want him to get back up to speed, and comfortable with the pace and the way the Wings play before giving him time on the top 6, against other team's top players.  I suspect this process will take a few weeks.

#2538918 Kindl on the block

Posted by Echolalia on 07 October 2014 - 05:04 PM

Peter and Bobby's older brother. Groovy.

There it is!!!

#2538874 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by Echolalia on 07 October 2014 - 04:18 PM


Someone "what's to stop Chelios"'ed the other day and I lol'd.

I think we need to bring it back this seaso--ahem, excuse me:

What's to stop Chelios from bringing back the "what's to stop Chelios" meme this season?

Nothing, that's what. Boom.

My head just exploded

#2538810 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Echolalia on 07 October 2014 - 02:09 PM

Granato is the PP coach now.

Maybe the thinking is to have more of a staying at home guy with a strong shot at the blue line to reduce the risk to run into a breakaway. As good as I think Smith is on the PP he's also very offensive minded. Not a problem with a second defender, but if you are the only one the team could get in pretty nasty situations when the puck is lost in the zone.

I agree with this, and if Smith was on the PP, I wouldn't want him as the high defender.  But if Kronwall or Dekeyser was the high defender, Smith could work one of the walls.

#2538799 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Echolalia on 07 October 2014 - 01:54 PM


Well, I don't think it's inconceivable that the team could have kept around one or two defensive prospects to fill out the points on the PP.  At which time you'd only need six forwards.  And we've at least six who are much more qualified to do that job than Helm.  Sadly, however, we've apparently got exactly two defensemen that Babs feels confident enough to put on the powerplay (and one of them is Dekeyser). 


Justify it however you want.  If you're comfortable with Darren Helm on your powerplay I don't know what to say to you. 


Speaking of, why is it that Babs would rather have Helm and Nestrasil on the powerplay than Smith?  I thought he was supposed to get a shot this year?

This is what doesn't make sense to me.  I'm a bit surprised that they're going with 1 defender for each line, especially because Smith has the potential to be a difference maker on the power play, and Oulette (whom I think deserves to be on the team over Kindl and Lashoff, at least based on preseason performances) also showed he knows how to generate offense, albeit in a small preseason sample size.  I would certainly rather Smith in over one of Helm or Nestrasil, specifically Nestrasil because I don't even know if he's a reliable NHL player yet.  My biggest reservation on Oulette on the powerplay is during the preseason on the man advantage, he threw a terrible pass into the slot from the half-wall which was immediately picked off for a breakaway.  It only happened once, but those kind of risky moves are exactly the thing that coaches get aneurisms over, so I can see Babcock (or actually, who's the PP coach now?) holding him off the powerplay in the regular season until Oulette is smarter with the puck.

#2538742 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Echolalia on 07 October 2014 - 12:20 PM


In theory.  But if Helm were any good at that then his offensive production would be significantly higher than it is.  The fact is, so far, Helm's speed has not translated into much offensive productivity.  I'm not really sure why he seems to be the guy Babs is counting on to fill holes in the offense.  


Maybe I'm wrong, but I just see Abby all over again.  "Well, put him alongside Datsyuk and he'll score  just fine...".  *facepalm*

I think that mostly has to do with his stone hands in front of the net