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#2543020 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 08:02 PM

LGW has pointed out that this team has been without an identity since Lidstrom retired (or around then, more or less).  With the influx of these kids, all of whom know how to skate, I think its safe to say that the organization is fully embracing a fast game as the team's new identity.  The coaches have changed the game plan to embrace this, it seems, with an emphasis on hard forechecks, and even giving defense the green light to carry the puck through the neutral zone, and playing more aggressive on offensive zone pinches.

#2542872 Franzen to 7-day IR

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 04:10 PM

Send Miller down. Is anyone gonna claim him? No. Is anyone gonna be unhappy if someone does claim him? No. Will anyone say "damn, Miller would have had that? No. Simple solution. Jurco >>> Miller. Why protect Miller when you don't have to?

Given the way each of them have played so far this year, I'd rather keep Miller and send Jurco down.

#2542789 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 10:53 AM

I think most people are just a bit upset that we are not thru the process yet. 5 mil per is a lot to pay for a student when we had a younger version up to speed already in Filppula. Weiss was someone we were expecting to bring an element we were lacking. Now it just looks like we are trying desperately to get him up to Red Wings System material status instead of someone we rely on. That's a bit frustrating.


Definitely, its frustrating.  But in the meantime, the Wings are sitting pretty at 3-1-1 after their first week, against pretty solid competition.  Not only is this without our second line center in Weiss, but also our first line center in Datsyuk.  If Weiss is able to get up to speed and become the player that he's known to be, the Wings could be dangerous come playoff time.

#2542774 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 21 October 2014 - 10:09 AM

I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's so easy to compare the Weiss situation to Zetterberg or Helm.  Those guys were returning to a system they knew, in positions they were familiar with, and the absolute confidence of the man dishing out the playing time.  None of which is true of Weiss.  I don't think (as I'm sure you'd agree) that Weiss gets an unlimited blank check because of this.  But two things jumped out to me after Weiss' first game back...
1)  "I've never played left wing in my life so that's tough too, trying to figure out the system as a winger. All of that stuff is tough. It was fun to be back in the mix, playing again in a game and hopefully we can do more here coming up." - Stephen Weiss
2)  "He got an opportunity to play in a game," Babcock said. "He didn't get a ton of opportunity but at least he got in the game and got some action going. Weisser, it's not going to happen overnight.
I'm not expecting a guy to look good in his first game back, in a new position, with the coach readily admitting that they're not giving him much of an opportunity. 
And then there's this, which is worth thinking about...
"But we're happy with him. We think he's going in the right direction. We think his attitude is great and we think he's working hard." -Babs

That last bit I found quite interesting, and Weiss said pretty much the same thing. It's going to be a process, and it's reassuring that the parties involved aren't looking at this as a failure like so many of us fans are, but rather as a small step in the right direction.

#2542621 Dan Rosen Pens a Great Piece on Babcock's Coaching Tree

Posted by Echolalia on 20 October 2014 - 01:19 PM

Babcock is a great coach, but do the players in Detroit still listen to his message?  We see players all the time in all sports eventually tuning out when a coaches message gets stale.  

I could see this happening maybe a couple years ago, or maybe a couple years from now, but right now a large chunk of our roster has only been playing in Babcock's system and listening to his message for a couple years, if that, so I doubt the message is stale on guys like Nyqvist, Tatar, etc. Maybe Datsyuk, or Zetterberg, or Kronwall, but these aren't exactly the types of players to turn a deaf ear to a coach, either.
For the record I think the Wings' solid start against legit Cup contenders and divisional opponents is a good indicator of the entire roster buying into the program.

#2542494 Weiss

Posted by Echolalia on 19 October 2014 - 01:19 PM


The quotes from this article make it seem like Weiss and Babcock know quite well that getting Weiss up to game speed and comfortable with our system is going to take time, and they're both willing to take it step by step.
It's also encouraging to hear that they thing he's making progress and going in the right direction.

#2542470 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 19 October 2014 - 09:37 AM

Couldn't watch the game but for sure happy watching these and hearing that the kids are doing fine. Watching Tatar, Nyquist and Sheahan and their speed is really nice. If we could just surround them with a gritty, tough as nails fourth line the Wings would become a very hard team to play against.
also lol @ Lupul for throwing Leafs fans under the bus who the hell he thinks he is ? Leafs fans are paying by far the highest ticket prices in the NHL and their reward is millionaires not working hard and then throwing fans under the bus ? wow maybe he should worry about his game and not giving interviews like a wannabe GM.

I know you're looking specifically for an Aaron Downey type, but truth be told our fourth line was probably already the toughest line for the Leafs to play against last night. I can recall one shift specifically against the Leafs top line where Glendening, Miller, and Andersson had the Leafs chasing in their own zone for a good 30-40 seconds, and generated a couple solid scoring chances as well.

#2542425 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 October 2014 - 09:30 PM


lol his eyes, its like someone's holding a cookie behind the camera.

#2542409 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 October 2014 - 09:15 PM

How did Weiss look?

He apparently played 8 minutes, but I don't recall seeing him.

#2542396 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 October 2014 - 09:09 PM

wow, with 10 secs. To go too...nice!

Are we still counting GAA with under a minute?

#2542308 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 October 2014 - 08:25 PM

Checking in from the grocery store - my wofe wanted to pick up some things after my gig, what's the short version?

The Wings' fourth line has been the best line on the ice, but they don't know how to score goals so its 0-0 still.

#2541880 Toronto Radio: Illitch is selling everything and Babs will be Leafs GM

Posted by Echolalia on 17 October 2014 - 07:47 PM

Wow so read day th tree quality we can expect from sn f*** Rogers Would be said of the best owner sells the Wings

lol frank is stroking out SEND HELP

#2541840 10/17 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Maple Leafs 1

Posted by Echolalia on 17 October 2014 - 07:28 PM

Where is all this Franzen sucks talk coming from? He's been engaged, making plays, protecting the puck, and taking the puck to the net, which is everything LGW ******* that he doesn't do enough. Or does the one turnover where the puck bounced over his stick and subsequent penalty cancel all that out?

#2541543 10/15 GDT : Bruins 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 16 October 2014 - 03:32 PM

Here's another reason why.  His best statistical shootout performers on the team (last night) are Tatar, Zetterberg, and Franzen.  Tatar's probably the best of the bunch (or was last year).  Now, even if he was slated to shoot last (as some have speculated) it's still a bad decision by Babcock because there's a 100% chance your first and second shooters will get to shoot.  There a less than 100% chance your third shooter will get to shoot.  By putting your best shooter (from a year ago) in the third spot you're reducing the likelihood he can contribute in a positive way.  There's a reason Datyuk ALWAYS shoots first and not third...they don't want to take the stick out of his hands (so to speak).  So even IF you're going to experiment with a rookie third liner in the shootout (which you shouldn't if you've got better choices)...you should have him shoot third, not first.  
Why is what I'm saying sof****** controversial?  Oh, because I'm criticizing Babcock, that's why. 

The best statistical shooters on the team last year were Eaves , Helm, and Tatar. Eaves isn't on the team anymore. Helm converted on 1 of 2 attempts for 50% total. Tatar converted on 33% for third best on the team. Not very good odds.
Zetterberg was 0 for 4, which means last year he was not among the best shootout players on the team. He was tied for the worst. Franzen was also tied for the worst with a total of 0 shootout goals.
So I'm not surprised to see Nestrasil get the nod over Zetterberg and Franzen. Statistically speaking there's literally no way he could perform any worse than what we've come to expect of them. When your team is as bad as the Wings have been in the recent past in shootout attempts, it's not that difficult to crack the top 3 as a new face from the AHL.
I'm surprised that Nyqvist got the nod over Tatar in the shootout, though, but maybe Babs was trying to ride a hot hand through the shootout.

#2541296 10/15 GDT : Bruins 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 15 October 2014 - 09:39 PM

So we add how many great saves to the Howard thread?

They've all been average. Zero great saves.