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#2612896 The "enigmatic" Tomas Jurco: A Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 02 June 2015 - 06:48 PM

I don't think you can call him enigmatic after 2 seasons. He's had 1 good year and 1 bad, that's all there is to it. With Blashill coming in he'll be used properly (scoring role, not checking). So I expect a better year from him.


I agree that its too soon to throw the kid under a bus, but I'm not too sure he'll be utilized any differently than Babcock used him.  Even if Blashill gives Jurco the benefit of the doubt, he still needs to outperform someone else above him on the depth chart, and right now its pretty crowded.  Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Tatar, and Nyquist are likely not moving from the top six.  Abdelkader has proven his worth on a scoring line and has bought his ticket to stay there.  That leaves one opening on the top six that Jurco will be competing with Helm, Sheahan, Weiss, Pulkkinen, Franzen (if he returns), and anyone that Holland may pick up in the off-season.  Heck, I just listed enough players that Jurco would have to compete for a third line spot as well.  I'm not saying its impossible, but I also don't believe Blashill is the type of person to give Jurco the spot because of familiarity and/or success in Grand Rapids.  If Jurco is going to play alongside the likes of Zetterberg or Tatar, he's going to have to prove he's a better option than the alternatives.  Then again, Blash might really spread things out and we could see a potential third line with one of Tatar or Nyquist on it, which may also open things up a little more.  Its tough to predict because nobody knows how Blashill will set the team up just yet.  But my guess is that we see Jurco on the third line to start the season, likely with third-line caliber players.  Where he goes from there is entirely up to him.

#2612865 The return of The Mule?

Posted by Echolalia on 02 June 2015 - 02:28 PM

I don't think anyone is saying Jurco had an awesome season. By most standards and expectations I think LGW can agree that Jurco wasn't as productive as we were expecting, especially given how he played the year before, and all the hype that has surrounded him the past few years.
But that's not to say he is irrelevant to the team, and it's also not worth trading him for a bag of pucks due to one (offensively) down year.

#2609565 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by Echolalia on 21 May 2015 - 08:10 PM

The Wings are fast-tracking a prospect. 


We have seen it all now. 


I wouldn't say they're fast-tracking him.  He played a year at college and absolutely dominated there, so he's definitely ready for a more challenging level, and that next step happens to be at Grand Rapids.  It also doesn't hurt that he didn't look out of place at the Worlds over the past few weeks.

I'm expecting he'll be at least a couple years with the Griffins, while he continues to adjust to playing with men instead of boys, and against people who are battling for jobs and their livelihoods.  The schedule of the AHL is more demanding as well, and I expect that will also take some getting used to.

#2609511 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by Echolalia on 21 May 2015 - 04:54 PM


Weiss has what 3 years left? Too lazy to check. 5 mil cap hit. VERY movable. Vinny had a very long contract with a very high cap hit, and was playing nowhere near what he was making. Dipietro doesn't count because he lived on IR.  Richards has been regressing for a couple years now, and that was a bad contract from day one.


Weiss isn't some washed up has-been.  He had bad luck with injuries at the start, and was unable to play his way into Babcock's system. Weiss would absolutely have value to some teams out there.  


That's Weiss alright :lol:

#2608007 Prospect Tourney in Traverse City renamed after Matt Wuest

Posted by Echolalia on 15 May 2015 - 02:54 PM

Well deserved.  Its an amazing testament, not only to the compassion and class that the organization has, but particularly to the impact and dedication that Matt had on the sport.  I think Kip articulated it as good as anyone.  Matt's work was a game-changer on multiple levels.

#2607963 What's our draft position this year? And best defensemen available

Posted by Echolalia on 15 May 2015 - 11:52 AM

My god what's so hard to understand about fans wanting local heroes ? I'm not saying don't draft euros all I am saying is that a team from Detroit should focus on Michigan boys first if there isn't a huge difference in terms of skill, size... Yes it's true I'm a Euro myself but I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting a team to have more than a few local heroes ? I mean look at the Toronto boards people there were rightfully pissed that the Leafs didn't draft the gta guy Nick Ritchie. And then their so called management has the audacity to be surprised when Cherry calls them out for it. Sure if that Provnov kid falls to us take him but there is the KHL risk and a good chance someone before us will take him. As far Anaheim they have Cogliano, Etem


No one is struggling to understand the significance, or lack thereof, of local heroes.  People are saying it doesn't matter.  We'd much rather go with the best player available, and the one that will help us win a Cup.  Where they're from is irrelevant.  As I already mentioned, the Wings aren't exactly short on North American players.  Taking a quick look at the Wings roster from their website, the Wings have more Canadians than any other nationality with seven.  Second place is a tie with six a piece from USA and Sweden.  Three guys from USA are also from Michigan.  There are already plenty of local heroes for people to cheer for right now, and the three Michigan players are pretty damn good at their roles with bright futures ahead of each of them as well.  With the Wings getting knocked out of a tight playoff race, the conversation shouldn't be "lets get more good ol' NA boys and homegrown talent".  It should be "lets get the pieces that will put this team over the top and help us get deep into the playoffs".  If that's a kid from the suburbs of Detroit, awesome.  If that's a kid from Brazil, just as cool.

And just a side note: the players I enjoy cheering for the most right now are Datsyuk, Helm, and Mrazek.  Datsyuk because he is an absolute wizard.  Helm because he is fast and tenacious as hell, and its fun watching his create chaos.  Mrazek because he's an exciting goalie with a bright future.  Only one of those three guys is a North American, and like I said, the reason why I like him so much has nothing to do with where he was born.  Its exclusively to do with what they do on the ice.

#2606575 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 07 May 2015 - 01:41 PM

Bertuzzi seems like he came out of nowhere.  I remember when the Wings drafted him most folks on LGW looked at it as a throw-away pick, or a favor to Todd Bertuzzi or something along those lines.  Ever since he was drafted, though, the kid has been exceeding everyone's expectations (except perhaps the Wings' organization, who may have knows the potential this kid had the whole time (?)).

Now he is on my list of most anticipated players to see in a Wings' uniform, along with Athanasiou, Larkin, and Mantha.

#2605959 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 04 May 2015 - 05:08 PM

I think it's fair to say Mantha won't be the power forward most of us hoped he'd be. I still think he'll make the NHL, though. Just not a player to build your franchise around like they were hoping to do.

I don't think it's fair to make any conclusions about the NHL career of a 20 year old who is still playing in his first year in the minors, especially after missing the first couple months with a broken leg.

#2601134 ECQF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings 4, at Lightning 0 (DET leads series, 3-2)

Posted by Echolalia on 25 April 2015 - 11:57 PM

Luke Glendening lead all forwards in ice time with 18:11 and Drew Miller was second of all forwards with 17:47, in a 4-0 victory.  Absolutely phenominal. 

#2599617 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Lightning 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) - Series Tied 2-2

Posted by Echolalia on 23 April 2015 - 08:51 PM

watch the first goal again, if Helm continued to skate toward the net or just shot it toward it instead if trying to cut back a second time, Stralman doesn't steal the puck and the 1st goal never happens. That momentum change is all on Helm's bad decision. Watch it, you'll see.


Helm turned the puck over, but the Wings were all in good position to handle the rush.  The breakdown happened the moment Ericsson abandoned the right side to cover the slot and pass the goal scorer off to Helm, who wasn't in good position to box him out.  We had two defensman back, and two forwards backchecking with the play.  There's no reason why Johnson should have a clear path to the net, and if Ericsson read the play correctly, Johnson would have been boxed out.

#2598233 ECQF Game 3 GDT : Lightning 0 at Red Wings 3 - DET Leads series 2-1

Posted by Echolalia on 22 April 2015 - 09:51 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Wings hit just as many posts as the Lightning? Helm and Zidlicky, Hedman and Johnson each hit a post.

#2598169 ECQF Game 3 GDT : Lightning 0 at Red Wings 3 - DET Leads series 2-1

Posted by Echolalia on 21 April 2015 - 10:46 PM

Tons of great posts tonight guys, I do want to say that Helm was his usual beastly self.
He wins so many battles that I think he's going to lose. I'd swear the guy was 6'3.


He's playoff hockey personified.  I'm so glad he was able to get past those injuries and become a regular in the lineup again.

#2598152 ECQF Game 3 GDT : Lightning 0 at Red Wings 3 - DET Leads series 2-1

Posted by Echolalia on 21 April 2015 - 09:59 PM

From The Score:

"Stat of the Night: The Lightning have been shut out twice in their 85 games this season. Mrazek has both of them."

#2598112 ECQF Game 3 GDT : Lightning 0 at Red Wings 3 - DET Leads series 2-1

Posted by Echolalia on 21 April 2015 - 09:09 PM


To be fair his last game wasn't bad. There is only a certain number of shots a goalie can save if the defense has a day off.


While I agree with you, if it was Howard in net, LGW would be calling for his head about how he doesn't make the big save when needed or something along those lines.


I think the trade Howard, Mrazek is our savior talk is a bit premature.  Mrazek is playing excellent, yes, and Howard hasn't been too hot since his injury.  But were still talking about trading away Howard for a kid who seemed to get pulled every other game over the past few months, which is a trend that has actually continued into the playoffs.  I do think Mrazek is playing better than Howard right now, but I think the way going forward is to keep both of them on the roster next year, have them continue to push each other and duke it out for number 1, and see how the pieces land.  Also during the inevitable case of an injury, I'd be much happier having both Howard and Mrazek on the team, instead of Mrazek and some washed up or unproven backup.  But in the meantime I'm just going to bask in this victory.

#2598051 ECQF Game 3 GDT : Lightning 0 at Red Wings 3 - DET Leads series 2-1

Posted by Echolalia on 21 April 2015 - 08:44 PM

What a difference a couple guys added to the lineup can make.  It was like a whole new team was out there playing.