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#2523163 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Echolalia on 07 June 2014 - 05:09 PM

I think 90% of people in this thread are arguing the same points to each other, but are actually in agreement with what Franzen is.
Franzen is streaky.
Franzen could be much better if he were more consistent.
It is annoying for us as fans to watch Franzen not perform at the level we expect him to perform at, especially when the Wings need him to play better.
Franzen's contract is long.
Despite his shortcomings, he's still a solid point/goal scorer over an 82 game season, given his cap hit.
It would be difficult to acquire a player with the same cap hit who could produce at a better level than Franzen over an 82 game season, at least right now.
It isn't difficult to find someone more consistent than Franzen for a similar cap hit, although they will likely not put up the point total that Franzen does.
It isn't difficult to find someone who gives it his all and tries to be a game-changer moreso than Franzen, with the same cap hit. Again, they might not have the points that Franzen has.

Did I miss anything?


#2522930 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by Echolalia on 05 June 2014 - 05:43 PM

so does boyle seriously suck now or is his age just what people dont like?


0.5ppg from a defensman is exactly what the Wings need. I think age and size probably turns most people off. Actually I think any acquisition that isn't for a star or franchise player is going to disappoint a big chunk of LGW.


#2522299 TSN POY: Hertl vs Gustav Nyquist

Posted by Echolalia on 01 June 2014 - 09:55 AM

This voting contest really comes down to like 5-6 really committed fans spamming bots. So if Tatar wins, the five of you should pat yourself on the back for carrying him to victory!


#2522014 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Echolalia on 28 May 2014 - 08:12 PM

Just out of curiosity how do you measure "he plays/doesn't play defense" because the Franzen I see is better than average defensively for a winger.


Actually I'm in the same boat because I think Franzen is pretty solid as far as defense goes. He's not gonna win a Selke, but he's responsible.


#2521985 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Echolalia on 28 May 2014 - 03:28 PM

Top 6? Ok just some random numbers from the 2013/14 season. Rankings are just among forwards.
 
139th in Goals
112th is assists
335th in games played
102th in TOI/G
110th in face off win %
122nd in points
221st in hits
245th in blocked shots
289th in takeaways
 
Those are top 6 numbers for you? Ok if you take the truly generous position that there are 180 top 6 forwards in the NHL-which of course is just silly, then maybe you could find some way to say Franzen is a top 6 forward.


Why is the definition of top six forward being the top 180 players in the NHL absurd? 6 top six players per team x 30 teams = 180, thus the top 180 players in the NHL qualify as top 6 players. In that definition, Franzen fits the bill with some of the numbers you posted, 139th in goals, 112th in assists, 102nd in TOI/G, 110th in faceoff win %, 122nd in points. This point becomes a little more pronounced when you factor in his 335th in games played. 139th in goals, 112th in assists despite being 335th in games played. That puts him at 67th place in points per game, which would make Franzen a top 3 forward in the league (the top 90 players in the league), but maybe your definition of top six forward is the top 90 players in the NHL, but either way his point pace fits the bill. I don't know where he ranks league-wide for cap-hit, but considering it's less than 4M/season, I have to imagine that it's not your definition of "top six" kind of money.
I get the frustration with Franzen. He doesn't bring it every night, he floats, he's streaky. But to say he's not a top six player in the NHL? That's pushing it.


#2520081 Regner: Next year could be Babcock's last

Posted by Echolalia on 12 May 2014 - 09:09 AM

As good a job as Blashill has done with the Griffins, there is no evidence he will be a good NHL head coach. Look at Dallas Eakins -- everyone's darling a year ago coming out of the AHL, then had a lousy season were the Oilers appeared to regress. The assumption some have that Blashill is just gonna walk into Babcock's job a year from now and be as good a coach and we all live happily ever after strikes me as folly in the extreme. We have the best coach in hockey, by far IMO, and we should be trying to re-up him for several more years. The idea that his shelf life is coming to an end might have some validity, but all the roster turnover we have had and that is still coming would seem to mitigate that.


I agree with this. I hope Blashill is a solid head coach in the NHL, but we really have no clue whether he'll be phenomenal or a total bust until he's been behind the bench. What makes me optimistic is that several coaches who have worked alongside Babcock have gone on to have successful coaching gigs elsewhere, and Holland and co decided to retain Blashill, which may speak to his potential. He has also had amazing (and surprisingly immediate) success at the college level, and in the AHL. He already coaches a similar style to the Wings' system, as evidenced by how successful our call-ups have been. Everyone was expecting Nyqvist to shine, but probably not as brightly as he did. I wasn't expecting Jurco and certainly not Sheahan to steal spots this year, and Glendening also came out of nowhere. I think their success at the NHL level is partly due to how they were coached in the years leading up to this.
Anyway, I guess if and when the time comes that Babcock moves on from his current position, unless Trotz or Tippet are available, I would be comfortable taking a chance on Blashill. He's certainly done everything he can do to at least earn the opportunity to be a head coach.


#2519912 WCSF : (7) Minnesota vs. (5) Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by Echolalia on 09 May 2014 - 10:51 PM

Patrick Kane just got rocked open ice, Minny gets a pp immediately after and scores right away to take a 4-2 lead. This is the best kind of struggle to watch when it's the Blackhawks in question.


#2519259 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Echolalia on 05 May 2014 - 12:06 PM

I thought Smith played really well in the second half of the season and the playoffs. I really have no idea why you'd want to get rid of him. 


I still think Smith can be a premier offensive defensman in this league, and considering how he closed the season/playoffs, I'm excited at his development.


#2518925 Wings will buy out Tootoo, not Franzen.

Posted by Echolalia on 02 May 2014 - 04:57 PM

 
Tootoo played almost every game last season. He had a chance to keep a spot in the line-up but he didn't seem to gel with Babcock's system. It shows even further now that he's struggling to crack the line-up under the same system in Grand Rapids.

Its all speculation on my end but I think it comes down to his run and gun style of play. Tootoo is about opportunistic hits, and that typically presents itself in the corners in the offensive zone. Tootoo goes for the big hit, and potentially takes himself out of the play (even if for a moment). The crowd is cheering cuz Toots is loose, but Babcock only sees the opposition breaking out of their zone, and Tootoo is behind the play. It's a 4 on 4, or 4 on 3 coming into our zone. I don't know what Babcock's role for Tootoo was, but I can only imagine that it involved playing with defense in mind. The players who typically persist on Babcock's fourth line (or anywhere in the lineup, really) are the ones who battle well along the boards and eat up time, but don't get lost on the play or caught deep when the puck is coming back into our zone. When they lose possession they back off and clog the neutral zone and backcheck hard, they don't go for the big hit when it takes them out of the play, and doesn't prevent the breakout either.
I don't know the exact reason why Tootoo couldn't maintain a spot in the lineup but I suspect it has to do with the above.


#2518744 Holland Holding on to Jeff Blashill

Posted by Echolalia on 01 May 2014 - 05:31 PM

Ive been saying since last year to bring up Blashill.  He has a very impressive resume he's won every championship of the league he's coached in, knows how to use kids, even spent time as assistant in NHL so he knows what to do.
 
Babcock's time is over, his system doesn't work here anymore, time for some new blood and energy.  Blashill knows these kids, he's doing very well with them.

Isn't Blashill's system the same as Babcock's? i keep hearing about how the transition for Nyqvist, Sheahan, Jurco, etc is so smooth partially because the system in place in GR is an emulation of the Red Wings.
If Babcock does decide to retire or move on, I would prefer Blashill take over though. He is familiar with what it takes to be successful at every level, and is already well acquainted with the Red Wings' organization, how things are run, personelle, etc.


#2518187 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Echolalia on 29 April 2014 - 01:02 PM

Zetterberg was quoted somewhere on the boards that youth movements are nice but we've been there before, and our priority should be winning the Cup (or something along those lines). It could be taken as a message to front office to make some essential moves this summer.
Anyway, Datsyuk just posted on Twitter or Facebook "We need to be better... Next year we need to not make it 24 playoffs, we need to win the Cup".
So we have both Datsyuk and Zetterberg talking about the need to win, and not five years from now but immediately. These guys only have a few good years left and they know it. I wonder if Holland will get the message, and if so, I wonder how he will respond.


#2515993 Do you want Jonas Gustavsson re-signed?

Posted by Echolalia on 26 April 2014 - 09:32 AM

Mrazek has done everything he needs to do in every league/tourney he has ever played in up to this point.  When he was called up for the Wings, he was as solid as anyone could expect of him.  In fact, in the nine games that he played in this season, he posted a better GAA and save% (1.74, .927) than Howard and Gustavsson, and is tied for the team lead in shutouts with two.  Granted, nine games isn't that large of a sample size, but the only way to get him more games is to bring him on as a backup.  I think he has demonstrated that he is ready.




#2515917 Monster confirmed to start Game 5.

Posted by Echolalia on 25 April 2014 - 11:00 PM

So Gustavsson will be caught out of position, bobble the puck and provide juicy rebounds and wide open nets.... Only to allow two goals the entire game.


#2515827 Is the Real Brendan Smith Finally Starting the Show Up?

Posted by Echolalia on 25 April 2014 - 02:50 PM

Doesn't it look like Brendan is continuing to significantly grow more and more during these playoff games? He is now almost always joining the rush whenever the opportunity presents, and his stickhandling and speed make him look pretty darn good in hauling it out of the defensive zone, dishing it off or shooting himself, or simply giving the offense another look that they typically don't have from a defenseman. Babs must have given him the green light to do this whenever possible, as they certainly haven't reeled him in, and must be encouraging this big time. Krug does this same stuff consistently for the Bruins. Smith's defense also looks a world better, even though he still gambles big time on occasion, but has made some genuinely high level def. plays that he hadn't done much of previously. A dose of Kronwall sure does wonders! (Now if only Kronner could be cloned, and then paired with Kindl, Quincy, and Lashoff!)

 

Honestly, he's been looking like a leader out there.  When the Wings are hemmed in their own zone, on several occasions Smith has been taking the puck and skating away from trouble himself, instead of passing to someone else and hoping they have a better chance at getting the puck out (which seems to be a problem with our defense as a whole this postseason).  On the breakout, as you said, Smith has been joining the rush and looking to make plays, and he's been contributing to our chances in the offensive zone.  He's taken a step in his development for sure based on his play, and I love that hockey smarts are starting to work along with his confidence, and he has some experience to steer him to the right play now.  I still think his potential is very high, and I'm excited to see how he progresses over the next two, three years.




#2514641 Bertuzzi in, Jurco out

Posted by Echolalia on 24 April 2014 - 11:22 AM

We need big bodies who can force themselves to the top of the crease. At the very least, Bert is capable of doing that.