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#2678645 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 22 June 2016 - 05:40 PM

 

Let's call it common sense.

Nobody does. Or do you wanna explain me why Mark Stone is by far the best takeaway player in this league and nobody ever realized it? I can't wait to read your explanation.  

If those numbers are true, Mark Stone would be an absolute star. Datsyuk's all time NHL-record for takeaways is 144 but in 82 games. 

 

In all fairness, Mark Stone is a good player. But these numbers are just ridiculous. 

Lets not call it common sense.  Common sense isn't assuming the eyeball test, which has been widely and repeatedly proven to be one of the least reliable forms of evidence, is a more accurate means of measuring a parameter than another method, which you have no insight to how is even measured.  That's rejecting data for intuition and/or emotion, which is the exact opposite of sensical.  Incidentally that's the same issue that's plaguing the anti-vaccine movement.  Its intuition and emotion based on preconceived notions you have with Tatar, or Helm, or Smith, or whomever else which you are relying on to make interpretations on otherwise quantifiable data, and when the data isn't congruent with your intuition, you reject the data, instead of modify your original hypothesis.  If science was run like this our society never would have accepted the sun is the center of our solar system, or that infectious disease is a manifest of microorganisms.  I have no issue with being skeptical of information presented to you, but when the purported alternative is supported exclusively by "because that's what I think" then there's a problem.




#2678631 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 22 June 2016 - 04:56 PM

 
It's not clear enough. We all know what a shot is, what a hit is, what a block is. It's not hard to count for pretty much everybody. Take- and giveaways are different. I don't know how they count them but the numbers are too low. Like I said...don't even need to know hockey to understand that the numbers aren't right. Therefore I'd really worry about you if you don't agree...
Andersson per nhl.com has 0 givaways in 29 regular season games. Marchenko has just 7 takeaways in 66 games. If those numbers are true we shouldn't resign Marchenko and offer huge money to Andersson instead.
 
A few other numbers leaguewide:
 
Takeaways:
 
1. Mark Stone 128 (in just 75 games) :w00t:
2. Jeff Skinner 77
3. Dustin Byfuglien 73
 
Giveaways:
 
1. PK Subban 106 (in just 68 games)  :blind:
2. Brent Burns 102
3. Joe Thornton 98
 
They really must think that hockeyfans are extremely stupid.


So you do just use the eyeball test. And besides that you readily admit that you don't understand how the league defines takeaway vs giveaway. Which means at the most fundamental level you are inequipped to say their data is inaccurate.


#2678624 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 22 June 2016 - 04:11 PM

Empirically? Wow. So you're convinced that these numbers are right? Ericsson might turn over the puck 71 times per hour...but not per season. These numbers are as random as it gets and generally waaaaaay too low. Really. Statistics are usually pretty good nd precise in the nhl but not in terms of give- and takeaways. It's not even possible that those numbers are right. You don't even have to know a lot about hockey to understand that.

I have no reason to hate Tatar. In fact I even was a great fan. He was great as a rookie. Lightning fast, hitting everybody, shooting...he brought lots of energy into this team. Last season I saw none of it. He scored a few points but there was no energy, he didn't hit and also didn't seem to really care. He was brutal. No need to lie. It wasn't enough. And he wasn't the only one who lost all trust of the coaching staff with careless or naive play.

How are you quantifying which stats are accurate and which stats are not? Do you actually have a method that defines a particular statistic as well as a way to measure it, and have you put in the hours and combed through games and compared your data with official league data, including based on their means of measurement and definition? Or are you just eyeballing it.


#2678560 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 21 June 2016 - 09:22 PM

 
cool story bro


Dude some guy's eyeballs > quantifiable data. Get with it man.


#2678388 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 20 June 2016 - 05:32 PM

Seems like a pretty active market thus far, which I suppose bodes well for Holland.




#2677413 Biggest need for Red Wings in Off-season Poll

Posted by Echolalia on 10 June 2016 - 08:28 PM

Biggest need this offseason is def getting Darren Helm signed to a contract




#2677266 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 09 June 2016 - 07:37 PM

 
 
So...basically what you're trying to say is that I'm spreading lies? I'm only listing facts, Darren. You didn't score despite playing with Pav almost all season long. Pav's line was as bad as it gets because you were on it. You are one of those turnover machines who forced Pav to chase the puck instead of making plays. 


You got it wrong man, I'm Darren Helm.


#2677241 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 09 June 2016 - 11:53 AM

Maybe Helm is the most underrated player on this team now.


#2677031 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 05 June 2016 - 05:05 PM

I never understood all the love for Jurco, and in continues to baffle me as more time passes.  At first it was just Babcock not utilizing him properly, but then his boy Blashill became the head coach, whom he had a good working relationship with in the AHL.  And then Blashill repeatedly scratched him and played him primarily in the bottom six as well.  Its difficult to imagine two separate head coaches mismanaging the same player in the same way, especially when one of those coaches used him liberally in the AHL.  Jurco has had opportunities in the top six and he has been unable to run with it on any of the chances he was given.  To this, people respond that his opportunities weren't long enough and he needs more time to gel with his linemates.  I can appreciate this to an extent, but at the same time, how long should a head coach attach an anchor to one of his top two lines to bog down the rest of the line with before he cuts the cord?  If Jurco struggles on the top six for five games and we end up losing one or two of those games we're already talking about the difference between making and missing the playoffs.  Should he go 10 games on the top six?  15?  20?  I don't know the correct answer, but I do know that Larkin, Nyquist, Tatar, Abdelkader, even Helm had no problem making the most of the opportunity when they were put alongside Datsyuk or Zetterberg.  The NHL doesn't reward potential.  It rewards performance.  And that's Jurco's biggest issue.  Pulkkinen as well, for that matter.  I would love for him to suddenly click and become the power-forward we've all been hoping for, and I'm not saying that it won't happen yet.  But we can't hold the rest of the team back while we wait for Jurco to develop.




#2676924 Possible Leak of Florida Panthers New Logo

Posted by Echolalia on 03 June 2016 - 06:24 PM

I like it. Very clean


#2676915 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 03 June 2016 - 10:36 AM

I have just read the last few pages here to get "up to date", and folks to say the least I am nervous as frick going forward.  
 
Kenny has a lot of work to do this season and he reminds me of that kid who waits until the morning of an exam to study outside the class for a half hour before he goes in to write it.

I actually don't get that vibe at all. He already made a trade albeit a small one and the playoffs aren't even over yet. At the very least we know he's working the phones. I think the market is kinda muddy at the moment but it should open up a bit during/after the draft.


#2676812 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 31 May 2016 - 05:02 PM

I would take Shattenkirk because he has a cool name same as I would take Clutterbuck and I like Clutterbuck not just because he has a cool name!

I forgot about this good point




#2676540 Datsyuk - someone who works for JLA told me he's sold his house

Posted by Echolalia on 25 May 2016 - 08:08 PM

Yeah I don't see any reason to be suspicious of his decision to leave either. He's already earned a ton of money, won a ton of awards, has been over here for a decade and a half and is getting older and more worn down, meanwhile his daughter is getting older without him in Russia, and he told us years ago he wants to finish his career off playing back at home in Russia. This is his chance to do that before his body can't keep up. It's also his chance to be with his daughter and watch her finish growing up. And he has nothing left to prove over here.


#2676207 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 18 May 2016 - 08:58 PM

I can see this. Blashill is a lot like Babs he expects a lot out of his centermen but mostly safe defensive play before before offense. Richards isn't great defensively, mostly because of his skating, but he's not going to make careless plays with the puck that we might see more from AA if he starts getting a lot of minutes

It's frustrating, especially since we struggle to score but I understand this philosophy and we see more centermen in the league like Toews and Kopitar having more team success then guys like Duchene and maybe a reason Stamkos doesn't play centre for Cooper


I disagree with the bolded. Richards was a turnover machine and play killer for large parts of many nights. Every now and then he would have the wiley veteran play but he was also a hindrance to the team. I really hope he doesn't come back.


#2676004 Datsyuk - someone who works for JLA told me he's sold his house

Posted by Echolalia on 15 May 2016 - 07:21 PM

I'm impressed with your stalking skills kickazz