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#2548506 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by Echolalia on 10 November 2014 - 04:14 PM

Exactly... AND vice versa... Like I said, Howard is not the issue, it's a team issue. The team hasn't been good at shootouts.


I think primariy its coming down to confidence, these days.  Their body language during shootouts doens't exactly scream "I'm going to score"

#2547968 GDT 11/5/14--Wings @ Rangers

Posted by Echolalia on 07 November 2014 - 09:18 PM

I think many advanced stats can be extremely misleading as well.  They have to be looked at together and with the eyeball test. 
Plus-minus I think is really only useful then you're comparing players on one team.  If one has an extremely high or extremely low +/-, there's something going on there.  But it still doesn't say much beyond that.

It's also important to keep track of how the players are being used. When the coach is only putting you on the ice for offensive zone faceoffs, your +/- may be skewed in your favor. Meanwhile, the guys who are getting all the defensive zone faceoffs have many more opportunities to develop a lower +/-. Likewise, as a 4th liner, your goal isn't necessarily to score goals, so they play more defensive minded. More or less if you can get it to center ice and dump it in, it's a successful shift, so I would expect to see +/- closer to 0 for grinders than for top liners, whom are expected to take more chances and score (also more vulnerable to goals against in many cases). These guys I would expect to see more of a variation.
So I don't know if it's fair to use +/- as a main argument to compare players who are used for different roles.

#2547801 Leafs' Ashton suspended 20 games for violating PED policy

Posted by Echolalia on 07 November 2014 - 04:58 PM

I don't understand the people in this thread that are saying its telling that he isn't appealing it.
Whats to appeal?  He himself admits that he took it.

I think I'm the only person who said this, so I suppose this is directed at me.
I think it's telling because 20 games is a long suspension regardless of what the crime is, and we've seen several players try to repeal their suspensions in the past, even after being established as a guilty party. These repeal attempts have typically been for things more severe than taking a couple hits off an inhaler to treat an alleged asthma. They have also been from people who were obviously wrong in their actions, but also thought the punishment didn't fit the crime. If Ashton sincerely only took a couple puffs specifically for bronchospasms and he can back this up from the diagnosis by his team doctor, I think he would repeal the suspension. 20 games is a long time to sit for an honest mistake. It isn't quite as long a time to sit for someone with a guilty conscious who knows he's busted.

#2546936 2014-15 GDT Sign-up sheet

Posted by Echolalia on 05 November 2014 - 12:33 PM

No game day thread for tonight still. Where is flashy at? I would volunteer but It would be done in paint and look like a two year old did it.


please yes.  the internet needs more mspaint

#2546707 GDT:11/4 Detroit Red Wings vs. Ottawa Senators 7:30p.m

Posted by Echolalia on 04 November 2014 - 08:30 PM

They're not drinking Gatorade, they're drinking Nobodygivesaf***erade.

I love that s***

#2546463 Very Chris Very, Very Osgood...very

Posted by Echolalia on 03 November 2014 - 05:45 PM

Frankly I miss Larry Murphy. I have no clue when dollar hot dog night is anymore.

#2546165 11/2 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Sabres 3 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 02 November 2014 - 06:36 PM

Hey guys whens the Wings' game start?

#2546086 11/2 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Sabres 3 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 02 November 2014 - 05:26 PM


#2545894 10/31 GDT : Los Angeles Kings (2) at Red Wings (5), 7:30 EST

Posted by Echolalia on 31 October 2014 - 09:21 PM

6-2-2 for a month that we were suppose to be very bad in


With the Wings its never the elite opponents I worry about.   Its the Florida Panthers of the NHL that usually do us in.

#2545742 10/31 GDT : Los Angeles Kings (2) at Red Wings (5), 7:30 EST

Posted by Echolalia on 31 October 2014 - 07:00 PM

Does that second one count as a bad-pass goal?

#2545678 Weiss sent down to GR- conditioning assignment

Posted by Echolalia on 31 October 2014 - 10:57 AM

It's funny how whenever a player is about to come off IR and force Holland into some potentially tough roster decisions, another one conveniently gets injured.

#2545468 10/29 GDT - Red Wings 4 @ Capitals 2

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 09:32 PM

Jurco and Nesty have100X more energy than Franzen and actually have the other team turning around to watch them scrambling all over the ice.  Franzen one dimensional and ALL teams know his inconsistencies... I am not denying the fact that before his well expected injury, he was playing good. I did praise him by saying one game "Who is this Franzen guy and what did he do with my Francine..." but that doesn't mean that he is going to bring anything more to the table that he doesn't normally bring.  I guess I should have used the term IMO, he is replaceable. I happen to think that the chemistry that Jurco brings to this team with Tatar and Sheahan, is better than throwing Franzen in there to float around and put up 5 points in 4 games every couple of months...then get injured again.  The team is cruising along no worse now than what it was with him in the lineup, and its not like he is going to return and put up 40 goals this season, he is not a difference maker. That is the tell-tale right there.

When Jurco and Nestrasil have a season where they put up more points than Franzen (or even close to what Franzen puts up) come back and we'll talk.

#2545324 10/29 GDT - Red Wings 4 @ Capitals 2

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 08:36 PM

Don't look now but Abby has 7 points so far this year, playing on the top line, and not all of them are a result of Datsyuk banking a shot off of him.

#2545025 Wings great Gordie Howe resting after 'serious stroke'

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 05:57 PM

Sorry but this is just sad and cruel don't you think his sons, daughters would love seeing him around a few more years ? I cringe everytime thinking about how hard that must be for family members, I could never stomach witnessing the maybe last days in someones life thats just .. ..horrible
his son is a doctor he should do everything he can to extend his life

There's only so much medicine can do. In the case of a stroke, the brain tissue that is affected is literally dead already. Even for a younger person with access to the best medical care, teaching the surviving portion of the brain to literally relearn all those lost motor skills is a long and tough process. Add that to the fact that Howe also has been battling dementia for the past few years, and he's already quite old, and the odds aren't looking too great. I wish the guy the best, as well as his family, but unfortunately sometimes the best means a comfortable passing, surrounded by your loved ones. Obviously I hope that isn't the case and he rebounds from this.

#2545012 Chara out 4-6 weeks with knee injury

Posted by Echolalia on 29 October 2014 - 05:26 PM

My point is they've already asked for mantha, nyquist, and Larkin. They can't ask for more than that really unless they asked for this year's first as well but no team would give up that much no matter how desperate

Yeah I didn't get that point on first read through, sorry. The fact that Myers hasn't been moved yet I think is indicative that Buffalo has been overvaluing him in a trade. The problem is with how bad they're crashing right now, Myers' stock certainly isn't rising.