kindlwillbegreat

hesitant to listen lmao , i think your the one whos hesitant to listen , i told you this before but i guess it went in and out ......yes the bruins had a couple of good seasons when marty was there ( the 7th place season was nothing to brag about) .....and since your an all "stat" guy im surprised you didnt mention the fact that he had 17 goals in his first year there ....... anyways as i stated previously joe thornton , murray and others were the main guys in boston and didnt perform stat wise in the post season , martys role has never been to be a goal scorer so how you can blame boston for losing in the playoffs as his fault , thornton was under performing in the post season for years and even in this post season his lone goal was an open net , and boston never had solid goaltending , yet marty was a main reason for them not moving forward , as we know too well if you perform well during the season as a team and then lose in the 1st round then it doesnt matter , marty had 17, 8 (in 53 games) and 15 goals during those seasons in boston , he did more then his part for the kind of player he is He has played for a mediocre team for precisely two seasons, and has promptly logged hideous +/- totals--in fact, his +/- totals have been amongst the worst of the team both years. What does that tell you about his true play? --------------------that tells me exactly what you just said , that hes been playing for really awful teams , when he was with the wings he had only one bad +/- season now if you wanna be such a wise ass about the stats ( cause thats the only way you can determine if a player is good or not ) , then check sammy's +/- he was + 1 last year , far from being great numbers , and besides last year with the wings he was -21 on back to back seasons , but of course you dont bring that up and heres another stat for you , sportsnet description on his assets Assets Is extremely industrious, tough and usually disciplined. Can score big goals and plays a strong two-way game. Has excellent leadership skills. good 2 way player , but i guess there wrong right ??? because he had those really awful +/- the last few seasons since he left here he just sucks as a hockey player .........you say he just gets a decent +/- when he has a good defense surrounding him ?? isnt that with everyone ?? if a good player is surrounded by bad defense and an average goalie then the +/- stat wont be so good brad richards was -19 last season but according to you he sucks and you would never take him right ? ( forget his salary , im talkin about his playing ability, and before you complain no i wouldnt take him here cause his salary is way too high) Theres more to a player then just stats , if martys +/- were so high its cause the team had alot more problems going for them then just marty's "supposed" horrible 2 way play

hes making close to 3 million a year , no thanks ill pass , id rather keep markov or go after sarich still only determing if a player is good or not by checking his stats , good job lol

i dont think he'll sign for peanuts but he wont be asking for 4+ either , he knows his time is coming to an end soon and if he wants to win another cup he cant take most of the remaining cap we got left

agreed , he doesnt fight .......... i just want him to be a physical player and drive to the net , i just dont expect big things from him hes not the same he use to be since he hit moore .........maybe a 20-25 goal season and 50-60 pts i expect from him lmao im from montreal and i heard dandenault is gettin traded and going back too LMAO

since a few kids here think i just want ex wings to come back ill say it lmao .............BRING BACK DALLAS DRAKE !! LOL the size of him is definetly a nice thing , but the fact that he hasnt played anything near a full season scares me , and obviously what these sites right about players arent always true but it doesn mention hes lazy , i dont think babock would like that lol yashin is the guy i see going to washington cause no one else will want him and hes russian , like ovechkin , i cant seriously see any of those guys going there novotny is unrestricted ???? cant be hes only 23

You gotta take into consideration where a players been playing as well , hawks and bruins of the last few yrs have stunk it up .....look at selanne and kariya , they were just awful in colorado .....a change of teams can do wonders

i dont think bertuzzi would come back for 2 , itll probably cost us 3 .........3 for bert, 2.5 for hasek and that leaves us with 4.5 ????? , i think hasek, bert and markov will come back , if we need more cap then trade lilja , it would be an extra 1.5-2 for markov , if ryan smyth would be willing to take a discount at 5 yrs , 25 million then maybe say bye to markov , but in 2 seasons lidstrom would have to take a nice cut for zetterberg btw ..........this is off hockey but any idea what happened to benoit ?? now im hearing its a murder suicide ?? i cant see benoit doing something like that .......he had 2 other kids right ?

i respect your opinion but as you already know i disagree , the fact that some of you guys bring up the age factor is laughable when you consider marty is only 33 , 3 yrs older then sammy , plenty of 33 yr olds still can play , and dont bring in the stats again( not you specifically , but others) cause marty isnt a goal scorer even though he can get 10-15 during the season , hes a physical gritty player who goes in the corner for pucks and fights for his teammates....... .i still think he can play , and if any of you catch chicago games online or with the center ice package then check it out for yourselves and youll see he can still play for an "OLD MAN" lmao and as for sammy having a future on this team is laughable , even he makes it to the end of his contract , if he gets a couple of other 20 goal seasons hes gonna wanna get 2 million + per season and thats when kenny says take a hike chump cause some other young kid we got could come here and do what you did i dont have a brother , like im gonna remember what you said on your first post , the way you talk about sammy you sure seem to be *** for him He takes bad penalties, misses wide open nets because he's a terrible player, and is making 2.4 to boot. ----------how do you know he misses wide open nets ?? cause you seen it happen once you think it happens all the time ? LMAO , now whos talking out of their ass ?? Sammy sure as hell misses the net alot , his shots are laughable , everytime hes on the ice i laugh AND how many times do i gotta tell you and your "friends" that marty being a past wing has nothing to do with me wanting him back ? I said i wouldnt take back mccarty, fedorov, kozlov ........this has nothing to do with his past , got it ?? If draper last played for us 7 yrs ago and came back now would you be complaining ?? No cause draper is good at what he does, he wont get 20 + goals but hes a good checker and penalty killer 99% percent of the board agrees with you .........LMAO maybe you should go back and check all the people who agreed with me , i remmeber seeing quite a few , once again stop talking out of your ass, i do agree we gotta use our younger players eventually , i just think marty is a good fit for our team for the type of role he brings , id much rather have him on the team then maltby , now maltby is a player who we have where most of our players can play his role and kill penalties

how do you know ken holland if its not personal ?? you hear interviews on tv and check the sites and you assume automatically that you know what player he would take and which one he wouldnt ?? I assume you also knew he wanted markov before we even got him right , cause "you know" kenny lmao , your excuse about following the team for so long is crap , i been following the wings for 20+ years and you cant 100% know who he would bring here or wouldnt , your main thing like the others about marty not coming is cause his salary even though you say its cause hes a past wing , i can bet you if marty was a free agent and wanted to come here for 700k kenny would take him, he wouldnt say , sorry marty your time here has come and gone lmao, and enough with the older stuff marty is just 3 yrs older then sammy Holland trades away picks , cause we have all seen we are capable of finding good players in later rounds , and the youth he gives up are players who arent top prospects to begin with and never will ......fleischmann,matthias, williams .....we got enough of those types of players coming up . And how do you know for certain samuelsson isnt being shopped ?? next to hudler and lilja hes the most likely guy to be traded on our team , theres no one else after those 2 i can see us shipping off , sammy is definetly tradeable We got enough marty players on the team do we ? Funny cause i cant rememeber seeing anyone stand up for our team and who is willing to fight for us , i do remember pronger cheap shotting holmstrom and seeing holmstrom on the floor bleeding , and pronger skateing like nothing happened and our players acting like it was ok , and not even going up to that punk And crymson is a poster .......good for him lmao , you agree with him thats your right man , your entitled to your own opinions as i and others on the board are , incase you havent noticed there were people here who agreed with me , i did notice there were some that agreed with you and thats their right as well , you can say crymson is logical all you want , lets just again , lets agree to disagree , i wont change your mind on this situation and you sure as hell wont change mine

the moronic thread starter lmao ......if anyone here is a moron its you , and i never said he was GREAT , i said he was still a good player for what he does ( and you morons have yet to name a player that can do the job marty would that would cost us less money wise , or giving up sammy ) , nice way to over exagerate once again ....i guess your problem really lies is what the 2.4 million hes making , i can guarantee you if he came here at 500k and was doing a good job for us , you'd be like what a great pick up ! nice job kenny! lmao Yes, let's take up more cap space for a guy that will, you know, do next to nothing for the team! Sounds ******* great! since you seem to only pay attention to stats , lapointe on a really crap team scored 1 goal less then samuelsson , yes he did have 30 games more , but as i mentioned he played with an awful team while sammy , who yes is way overrated even though you seem to wanna kiss his ass so much played with a great team , sammy is so good he came close to going back to sweden before we got him

penner will be resigned and wont be traded , no point in talking about him , wait till hes unrestricted

they could of won the cup without selanne , its not my problem if YOU dont see that lol ......sammy will outperform marty lmao ,if you just keep looking at the stats which is obviously what determines to you if a player is good or not Thankfully, Ken Holland is our GM and not kindlwillbegreat. ------------im sure most people here feel that way about you Any Wings fan knows damn well that Kenny would not trade Sammy for Martin Lapointe, now dont go crazy saying that I think I know Holland. ------------------ dont worry i will , you seem to have convinced yourself that you know him better then anyone else in the world so theres no need to tell you what you already know , and i dont give a crap who crymson is , hes just some dude who posts on the boards that you seem to agree with alot and i dont , who cares , if you think hes some god on the msg board then you got bigger problems then i thought lmao and you guys still havent mentioned a player capable of doing the same role as marty that you think would fit here so theres no point talking to you guys , you just like to complain LMAO

course we are lol .......im just not sold on him , hes a late bloomer ......hes more offensive dont really now about his defensive game , and like i said i wouldnt wanna pay him 2.5 to 3 for like 3-4 yrs like some stupid team will

hasek has to stay , we cant have ozzie starting , i like matty but not at the salary some team will offer ........hasek is a must , i wouldnt mind markov cause i dont think he will get too much , id like bertuzzi to stay but i got a bad feeling hes gonna go to calgary, maybe if we trade scraps like sammy and lilja we can get in smyth if were lucky lol ( dont count on it) I really hope midway through next year if quincey is playing good , holland offers him a lebda type deal , nice 4 yr deal at like 750k per , would really help us down the line

there are many players who can score and fight but how many are available ??? you have yet to mention one player who you think we can get who youd think would fit here , its pointless talking to you , you just like to complain I can tell you one thing maybe teams wont stop trying to take out some guys on our team , but at least with someone who can stand up for our guys and show we wont take their s*** is better then not having anyone here , you all keep forgetting how lucky we were holmstrom came back in the playoffs , we might not be so lucky next time And i dont agree with you that samuelsson can score and play on the powerplay , obviously it helps the guy that he plays with the wings , and it helps that he takes 400 shots , cause most of his shots are way off and hit the goalies chest, its pathetic ........and he cant play the powerplay hes just awful on the point and is always turning over the puck , because of him teams had more then enough chances to score shorthanded , hes not as good as you think he is hes just surrounded by a good team ......... .and i never mentioned mccarty and i wouldnt want him back , you just seem obsessed into thinking that i only want old wings players to come back , you wont listen to me so theres no point talking to you

im sure some team will give him a 3-4 yr deal at 2.5 -3 per year .....i think ill pass , not too sure about him anyways , he had nice stats but he did play with 2 good teams

rinne "looked" like he was good in the ahl last season , and the preds still got mason who was , i think the best goalie for the preds last season , they wont be as good as last yr but you shouldnt underestimate them , theyll likey be right up there for a playoff spot , and once your in anything can happen

getzlaf 7 goals perry 6 mcdonald 10 moen 7 pahlsson 3 goals 12 pts rob neidermayer 5 goals penner 3 goals ya dude without selanne they would of been lost and wouldnt of been able to win it all lmao ........oh btw if selanne wasnt there they would of gotten some other guy who could of been a 30+ scorer and could of at least gotten 5 goals through 4 rounds , trust me they would of been just fine minus selanne , selanne is the lucky one to have came back to the ducks and get his ring exactly .......its a team sport and they would of prevailed anyways and as for marty sure id love to have him here for say 800 k on the free agent market but it is what it is , until and if the hawks buy him out hes worth 2.4 .........now if the wings can get asham or someone who can bring to us what marty can then im all for it , marty was just a name i threw out there who i think can do the job, his past has nothing to do with it , regardless of what you guys think lol ya most people here just seem to look at a player's stats to determine if hes good or not

agreed , selanne was invincible in most games , they had giggy , 2 norris winners , perry penner and getzlaf, mcdonald ........selanne has an amazing regular season but i think the ducks would of prevailed and won it anyways , it just seemed to be there year , they got some nice bounces forget the fact that draper is with us and never left ..............if he was traded say 7 yrs ago and we were talking about getting him back now ........would you be pissed cause he was here all those years ago ?? or would you actually use your common sense for once and realize that hes still a great player for what his role is ?? forget the fact that hes not a 20+ scorer they wouldnt of been able to replace selanne's leadership lmfao ya ok , the guys never been to the finals im sure his stanley cup playoff experience led them all the way, nevermind neidermayers 3 cup wins, giggys mvp win 5 yrs ago , pronger making it to the finals last season ........without selanne's leadership they wouldnt of won .......i think your the one who needs to wake up

jesus christ wtf is wrong with you people , im not comparing him to teemu selanne or chelios in the sense that marty is one of the best nhl players in the league im just putting it out there how ridiculous you guys are for saying marty is 33 when there are alot older players playing and contributing , 33 isnt that old now a days players such as marty keep themselves in great shape, please dont tell me selanne is in better shape then marty, marty trains like a mad man.........and quit looking at stats cause marty was never a stat guy if you only look at stats to tell if a player is good or not then i feel sorry for you , brendan shanahan wasnt the reason he hit players and was willing to fight for his team you say we got enough role players so we dont need marty ? do we have enough guys who can not only play the game but stand up for teammates and fight , while none the less being a physical presence and getting in peoples faces ?? thats right we got none , and please dont tell me we dont need someone who at times will stand up and fight cause we were fine this year , unless you forgot we lost zetterberg for a long time , and nearly lost holmstrom , we wont be so lucky next time , your niave if you think teams are afraid of taking shots at us, theyll keep doing it and knock out our best guys to win a series jesus christ do i have to repeat myself a hundred times before you guys listen ??? this has nothing to do with the fact that he was a wing , it has everything to do with what he can do ........i've said it a hundred times but no one answered except for one of you guys ...... .if you know anyone else we can get besides marty that can do the same thing then feel free to throw out suggestions like the other guy did with asham , but for the love of god stop f'n mentioning the fact that i want him here is only cause he was a wing i dont agree with fedorov , something happened to him since he left us and hes not the same guy at all , maybe losing anna kournikova to enrique has gotten to him more then we know lmao

dude will you lay off the 10 yrs ago bs ???? chelios is 45 and still playing good ,people like you were probably bitching when we picked him up towards the end of his career , or so we thought Now i told you a hundred times if you dont like marty then suggest a player , you said we can get one on the market and i have yet to hear one name from you , only one guy mentioned asham , any suggestiions ????? nice way to over exagerate, lapointe is only 33 you guys act like hes 50 , selanne is 38 and still puttin in 40-50 goals , players are still performing at an older age will you quit it with that nostalgia s*** ?? if you dont have something new to say then dont bother with the comments

they obviously wont make the playoffs but i think theyll be better then teams expect , they wont be as easy as teams believe , last year before handzus and havlat got injured they were doing pretty good and havlat was on fire

sniper would be nice but adding a guy who can not only play hockey and fight would be a GREAT asset , then maybe punks like pronger will think twice before cheap shotting our guys , and lets not kid ourselves we were lucky holmstrom came back , we might not be so lucky next year, its always good to have a guy step up for us ,the fact that we let pronger get away with that s*** without even going up to him was pathetic

you guys are hard headed, this has nothing to do with bringing back old players , marty is the type of player i think we need, someone else mentioned asham , if he can fight too then get the guy , you guys keep saying we can get a marty type player but besides that one person who said asham no one else here has come up with another name, your sammy is a better play cause his style fits here , we got enough soft skilled players i just noticed this .......... TheFourthPeriod.com According to the Chicago Daily Herald, the Blackhawks are actively shopping veteran forward Martin Lapointe. Lapointe served as the Hawks' captain last season in several instances when Adrian Aucoin was hurt. With Aucoin now in Calgary, the paper claims Lapointe won't get the full-time captain's gig. The Daily Herald reports Lapointe is currently on the trade block in an attempt to get the last year of his contract [$2.4 million] off the books.

thats easier said then done ........any players in mind ?? on a sidenote im watching nhl network and there showing the top 10 draft sleeper picks for the 90's #10 holmstrom #6 datsyuk and im at number 5 now and its lang .......WTFFF lol no way hes better then datsyuk zetterberg wasnt even in the top 10 , what a load of crap 5 lang 4 demitra 3 alfredsson 2 khabibulin 1 bondra