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  2. Not sure what will come of it, but Monika and Mike are saying alt he right things. If they're guilty, they're not acting like it at all. Just as I suspected though, they're both being harassed and getting terrible messages.
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  4. Rumors Thread

    @ChristopherReevesLegs @Buppy I don't think we're that far apart afterall. Good points and I agree with most of what you're both saying. I think the thing we disagree on, is the level of impact pre-season should have on a player making the team out of camp. Of course it shouldn't be the only factor, but if a player lights it up in pre-season it should be considered. In that situation, I'd like to see the young player given a look earlier in the regular season, that's all. I know it may not seem like it because we've been discussing the dude the past several pages, but I could honestly care less if Hicketts makes the team. It's not about that for me. I just want players that play well, to be rewarded, and to me, that starts with training camp and preseason. Since you brought up Turgeon, and he's probably more of the Hicketts equivalent of forwards, he had a strong season last year, similar to Hicketts the year before. What if he comes into camp, and outplays a bunch of bottom six guys? Do you still send him down? If so, fair enough, we disagree on that. If it were my decision I'd keep him up, and see if he could replicate that level of play in the regular season. Let him try to build on the confidence, rather than sending him down right away...
  5. 2018 Off-Season Trades / Signings / News

    Athanasiou and one of our 3rd round picks for 10th overall?... That should be enough right?...
  6. Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

    Draft is gonna be lit, my dudes.
  7. 2018 Off-Season Trades / Signings / News

    OK, Chiarelli. Your turn.
  8. 2018 Off-Season Trades / Signings / News

    I don’t think so? It’d depend on what level of pick the sens want. If Zadina is there at 6, I absolutely draft him though.
  9. Yeah, good points. From the looks of the rankings, Boqvist could drop to the teens, similar to when the leafs got Liljegren. Obviously it’ll depend on team need on draft day a little, and how accurate TSN is, but he’s a guy I wouldn’t mind us trading up around 15 spots from 30 to get. Agree that there are a lot of exciting picks in the 25-40 range though. But if Zadina ends up sliding to us and that’s who we go with at 6, trading to get Boqvist too would be a pretty solid first round. Rasmus Sandin is another solid looking defense prospect ranked in the teens.
  10. We could maybe need some size on defense. Too early yet to know if the kids we got last year will do anything, and Cholo and Hronek are both on the small side. Not that it means we need to draft size at #6, but on the other hand Bouchard at least is certainly one of the most skilled players in the entire draft. Dobson is no slouch in the skill department either. Boqvist seems to have fallen for most of the experts (though I still like him). Hughes seems to be the top guy atm, and I'd love him too, but all four look about as good as you can expect drafting 6th. Would be awesome, but trading into the top 10 typically takes a grade A asset. The only ones we have are Larkin and #6. Mid to late teens might be doable though, but I'm not sure anyone too good will drop that far. Some good looking players should be there in the 30s. Not much worse looking than the guys projected in the teens in my opinion.
  11. 2018 Off-Season Trades / Signings / News

    10 pts says they re-sign Plekanec this year
  12. 2018 Off-Season Trades / Signings / News

    Even more than that is that they needed a good center even when Plekanec was still kind of good, and then they trade for a couple wingers. Viewed in isolation they aren't really bad trades, but three big trades that are even debatable, while also completely failing to address team needs is just bad.
  13. Rumors Thread

    If by "given an opportunity" you mean guaranteed a spot in the lineup, you're right. That is not, and should not be, a given. You act like the team is lying when the truth is that they just don't share your opinions. Preseason is not a tournament where the guy with the most points wins the roster spot. Like 9 said, it's too small a sample to be given too much weight. Training camp doesn't start with a clean slate. The team has a depth chart, based off all the evaluations and history for each player to this point. TC/preseason can modify the list, but not completely replace it. A player could have the best camp and still not move up enough to take a spot. Or a bad camp and not fall too far. For established veterans, TC/preseason is probably meaningless. If Glendening puts up 6-7 points in 4 games, we're all going to know he's still Glendening. Same is true if he puts up zero. The team seems to be high enough on Rasmussen already that he may not even need a great camp. That doesn't mean Hicketts' performance in camp wasn't rewarded though. He did earn a call-up, despite his poor AHL season and despite all the players performing better. Same with Svech. You're not complaining that he was called up ahead of Tangradi or Puempel, so I know you get what I'm talking about. If Svech has a great preseason it will increase his value; it will be rewarded. Maybe with a full-time spot, or maybe just extra consideration further down the road. Every bit of evidence we have points to that being true. Of course management isn't going to be perfect in judging when a player is "ready" or better than whatever other option was chosen, nor would I expect you (or anyone) to always agree with them. But there's a long road between disagreeing with a particular decision and imagining an organizational conspiracy against kids. I would be surprised if there isn't at least one kid moved up on defense. I think the team has seen enough of Ouellet, and one of Hicketts, Hronek, Cholo, or Sulak will take his place. Cholo and Hronek I'd think would also have to pass someone else though, as I doubt we'd want them up if they aren't going to play every day. If Green goes, I could see two of the kids making it. Basically the same at forward. I think we'll see at least one. A kid with potential like Ras or Svech will need to show they're an every day player, whereas someone like Turgeon could be used as roster filler. I think Ras will get at least the 9 game tryout, unless he just blows it in camp. Svech likely has some work to do to make up for last year.
  14. 2018 Off-Season Trades / Signings / News

    Yeah, but Sergachev was Russian, and Subban was black, can you blame him?
  15. 2018 Off-Season Trades / Signings / News

    The point is that Bergevin keeps making 1 for 1 trades where MTL ends up on the losing end. Subban for Weber, Drouin for Segechev, and now this. There is no doubt in my mind that had they played their cards better, they could have gotten more then Domi for for Galchenyuk.
  16. Official 2018 Off Season *Rebuild* Thread

    Ah, the "h-loser" state
  17. Official 2018 Off Season *Rebuild* Thread

  18. My fitbit #Fitstats_en_US for 6/17/2018: 4,274 steps and 1.9 miles traveled.

  19. Official 2018 Off Season *Rebuild* Thread

    Gimme an address white boi
  20. 2018 Off-Season Trades / Signings / News

    I'd be be livid too if I was a Habs fan. Imagine watching the last 2 Red Wings season. Livid yet? Now imagine watching it, but in French...
  21. Rumors Thread

    Here's where I'd like to make a distinction: Having a good camp versus stealing a job. Did Hicketts have a good camp last year? Yes, I think we both agree. Did Hicketts steal a job at camp? This is maybe where we disagree. I think to steal a job at camp you have to blow the doors off the team. I mean you have to have Larkin level skill, and even more so maybe as a 5'8" player. Hicketts just doesn't have that, at least not yet anyway. Did Hicketts have a good camp? Yes. Did some players have not-so-good camps? Yes, but that doesn't mean I'm now clamoring to trade those players away just because of one bad camp.. just like I'm not clamoring to get Hicketts on to the roster after one good camp. Camp is camp, it's such a ridiculously small sample size that I don't think you can gain a lot of insight from it. And I think Hicketts is a superb example of that sampling error is action... He had the few games that were great, but then his AHL season was completely sub-par. That confirms, in my mind, that your operating under a premise that is couched in sampling bias. Anyhoo, I'd see your POV more if Hicketts was say 24 years old... At that point I'd at least understand that it's almost the end of the line for this player, let's see what we've got in him.. But he was 21, he's got plenty of time yet to hone his craft and be ready to do good when the big club calls again. So my attitude is: Good camp kid, build on it.
  22. Is anything safe anymore? Our beloved tradition *Mod warning post #94*

    Sports Illustrated writer S.L. Price paid $8.26 for a boiled octopus from Superior Fish Co. in spring 2008, the last time the Red Wings won a Stanley Cup. He stuffed it into his pants to sneak it through security into Joe Louis Arena, I get accused of this every time I go to a Wings game. Stupid PETA....
  23. Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

    I tend to agree with you. This is our second year outside the playoffs, proving the problem is not a one season anomaly but an actual systemic issue that needs to be addressed. We've managed to shed some larger contracts (Mrazek, Tatar, and possibly Green) giving us more space to maneuver underneath the cap. We have excess picks and players rights that can be packaged in deals. We have 2 major RFAs that need contracts. Which should be motivation enough to do any wheeling and dealing that's necessary. I think all the conditions are right for a more excitable draft/July than usual.
  24. Official 2018 Off Season *Rebuild* Thread

    Don't worry. If Frk gets 0 NHL offers, then you will turn out to be right. Even if he plays more than Pulks in the NHL, they are both still fringe NHL players with a big RH shot. You can have your "I told you so" moment then. BTW, I never disagreed with your assessment about their ability and lack of skill set. I do believe that Frk is slightly better than Pulkinnen tho and will probably end up hanging around longer than Pulks did. Just my 2 cents. But yeah, they really aren't that good. Would rather have Jurco over Frk to be honest, so fight me.
  25. Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

    Yeah, Jesperi Kotkaniemi
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