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10/15 BUCKWILD GDT - Red Wings @ Canadiens - 7:30 PM ET
F.Michael replied to Dabura's topic in General
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Mantha is Lazy and He Sucks
ChristopherReevesLegs replied to Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot)'s topic in General
Tied for 3rd on the team in hits. Tied for 2nd on the team in takeaways. Dudes truly invisible when he's not scoring. If he shrank by a foot It'd be cool thou. -
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I remember he played for the Bruins in the early 2000's.
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Red Wings vs. Maple Leafs - October 11/2018
ChristopherReevesLegs replied to Wings02's topic in General
Workin' with that good sugar damn -
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I wasn't going to get into stats, but if you are going to excuse me of not understanding something, I will do a deep dive to show you that is not true. Lets use your Coffey/Kelly example: In 1971, Kelly's best offensive year where he got 70 points, the average goals scored per game was 3.12. In 1986, Coffey's best offensive year where he got 138 points, the average goals scored per game was 3.97. Now lets compare years. 1986 showed an increase in goals over 1971 by about 27%. So even if we add 27% to Kelly's best offensive season, that puts him at 89 points. So even using inflation, Coffey still out produced Kelly by 51 points. Maybe you will counter that I am using a season late in Kelly's career. Well if you take the best season in the first half of his career, here is what the stats show: in 1951, Kelly's best offensive year in the first half of his career he got 54 points, the average goals scored per game was 2.71. If we compare this to Coffey's best year, 1986 showed an increase in goals by about 47%. So even if we add 47% to Kelly's 54 point season, that puts him at 79 points. So again, even using inflation, Coffey still out produced Kelly, but this time by 61 points. I don't think most hockey historians put Kelly above Paul Coffey, most historians rank him in respect to his era, because there is no way to compare a player who played that long ago to the players of the modern era. To give you an exact example, if you have ever read "Best of the Best, Ranking the greatest players of all time" by Scott Morrison, Kelly is ranked #3 in the original era, while Coffey is ranked #6 in the modern era. Point being, they are not ranked together. You talk about how D-men were not as offensive back then, which given that he scored 71 points seems a bit hard to believe. But even excepting that logic, if you are saying it was an entirely different game, how can you say that he is better then then top guys of the modern era? What is your criteria outside of nostalgia and bias? I highly doubt you watched Kelly play. (my apologies if I'm wrong) This is why I disagree with you saying he is "top 10 all time" because if you use stats (even with inflation) he doesn't hold up. I admit that is not fair, my point being its better to compare players in respect to their era's. Now if you want to talk about point production in comparison to other players in their era, I guess we can do that, but I dont think Kelly will end up top 10 from what I have seen, and that's not even factoring in the fact that he was not playing against the best of the best. I will say this, Kelly was a top 5 D-man of the original 6 era.
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10/15 BUCKWILD GDT - Red Wings @ Canadiens - 7:30 PM ET
NerveDamage replied to Dabura's topic in General
HYPE to the MAX! LGRW!!! -
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S*** kinda sucks right now in Red Wings Land, so I'm bringing some extra HYPE! to the table. Can you actually blame me? HYPE! LGRW!
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Red Wings will Officially Retire Red Kelly's #4
Neomaxizoomdweebie replied to krsmith17's topic in General
I heard these guys were pretty good too. Aziz Aboud of the Cairo Camels and Hasani Shaloub of the Alexandria Asps were both considered the 2 best players ever to play in the Ancient Eqyptian Hockey League William T. Cook (pictured lower right hand corner) was considered the best player in the storied history of the British Colonial Hockey League. After his professional retirement, he brought the sport of hockey to many foreign lands while traveling with his brother, Captain James Cook. -
Who the hell is Andy Hilbert?
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You guys are killing me bringing up these old threads.
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Yup, pretty much
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We had and he wasn’t good!!
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Red Wings will Officially Retire Red Kelly's #4
GMRwings1983 replied to krsmith17's topic in General
Well, if you understood that nobody was putting up monster stats back then, especially on the blue line, you wouldn't be saying that. Look at Doug Harvey's numbers and keep in mind, he played with about twice as many HHOF players than Kelly did on those Red Wings teams. The game was played at a slower pace in those days. Guys played much longer shifts, sometimes over 5 minutes long. The idea of short shifts and conserving energy was foreign to the game. Kelly's stats were impressive relative to that era. He's regarded by most hockey historians as a top 10 all time defenseman. They know about his stats as compared to say Paul Coffey's stats. Why do you think most rate him ahead of Coffey? -
Which Goalie Will Have The Better Season?
Neomaxizoomdweebie replied to ChristopherReevesLegs's topic in General
It's still early, but looks like Jimmy. Flame on haters. -
Wasn't he traded by the Islanders to the Senators for Bryan Berard? How does Ottawa still have a team? When they aren't drafting Alexander Daigle and Alexei Yashin, they're making stupid trades (Hossa, Phaneuf, Ryan...) It's like that team was doomed ever since that Yzerman trade didn't go thru. Funny how one team prospered after that, and one team floundered.
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Red Wings will Officially Retire Red Kelly's #4
Neomaxizoomdweebie replied to krsmith17's topic in General
So with the retirement of #4, if the Wings did decide to retire Pronovost's #3 and Datsyuk's #13, then only #'s 2, 8, and 11 would be available until #14.. -
With all due respect, that's not helping your argument. With those players playing with him, he should have if he was top 10 all time.
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Bernier had a .795 save percentage. That's complete trash. Had he only given up 3 goals (which would be acceptable on 39 SOG) this team might have had a chance. That said, 39 shots on goal is way too many too. SO, basically everyone is lazy and sucks.
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Red Wings will Officially Retire Red Kelly's #4
GMRwings1983 replied to krsmith17's topic in General
Kelly didn't have inflated stats. Defensemen weren't putting up monster numbers in those days. That came later with Bobby Orr, and then by the 1980's, every good defenseman seemed to score a lot. -
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