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hater On a more serious note...Ozzie/Vernon/Cujo had some impressive numbers - they also played in the 'dead puck era' with low scoring/heavy minded D, and were up against other netminders during this same time who are in the HoF (Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Belfour). That said - I can see both Ozzie/Cujo getting in on really 'slow' years where the HoF committee may be a tad bit desperate on whom to nominate. Must agree here... Eyebrows were raised with Seider on draft day - however it appears that he's shaping into a top pair Dman...If there's a high probability of Askarov becoming the next Price/Luongo/Lundqvist - then I'd be a happy camper if he was selected.
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I think it should be enough, or very close, if you consider trading Eriksson alone should net a 1st round pick, at the very least. So the question then is, is Boeser worth more than a 1st round pick, a 22 year old former 1st round pick, and a 2nd round pick? I'm not sure, but it's definitely close in my opinion. Adding Fabbri along with a sweetener? along with Cholowski, a 2nd round pick and taking on two years of one of the worst contracts in the league seems pretty steep to me...
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I don't think that author's Cholowski + EDM's 2nd proposal gets us anywhere close, even if we agree to take on Eriksson. Maybe Fabbri + sweetener? I'd love to get Boeser, and I'd be willing to pay a pretty steep price, but I'm guessing the Devils or Sens use a 1st to land him (if he does indeed get moved).
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Yeah, I don't think Raymond is a can't miss, elite prospect, but I do think he's a "safer" pick, with just as high a ceiling as Askarov. None of this is even my biggest qualm with taking the goalie though. It's just a matter of what you believe to be the best way to construct a team... Personally, I would prefer to build my team around an elite forward core, with solid defense, and good goaltending, rather than elite goaltending and an average team in front of him... Let's hope... I guess I get what you're trying to say, but to be fair, the Blues have been one of the better shot suppression teams in the league the past couple years. Binnington has been good, but he's had a lot of help in front of him too. If we can build a team like the 2019 St. Louis Blues, I think we'll be in pretty good shape... I mean, they did just win the Stanley Cup with a solid goaltender picked in the 3rd round...
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How confident are we that Rossi or Stutzle will be a full-time centerman tho? I love Rossi as a two-way playmaking centerman at the CHL level, but it's certainly possible he settles in as a winger at the pro level. I mean, I'm down with Rossi or Stutzle at 4 even if we fully believe they're full-time wingers. But if we want a guy who's guaranteed to be a solid top-six centerman, Anton Lundell might be our best bet. There are questions about his scoring upside, but people seem to agree that you'd be getting at least a 2C with legit Selke potential.
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You'd have to be a fool to believe that Askarov is a guaranteed stud NHLer. But here's the thing: You'd have to be a fool to believe that *any* of our options at 4th overall is a guaranteed stud NHLer. Maybe an elite goalie prospect is more of a boom/bust proposition than an elite skater prospect. But I guess my thinking is that if Yzerman does take Askarov at 4th overall (or trades back a bit and takes him at around 10th overall), that means Yzerman is crazy about him, and I'd have to respect that and give Yzerman the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I highly doubt we're taking Askarov with our first pick, so this is all probably moot anyway. Fair. What I mean is that we're probably not going to emerge from this rebuild with a mouthwatering core of former top-three draft picks. The way this rebuild is trending, we're probably going to be more blue-collar than white-collar, more 2019 Blues than 2019 Lightning.
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You're right. I would never do that. As hard as it may be for you to fathom, it is possible that two different people can have the same idea on a matter... I didn't read that article, and if I had, I absolutely would have credited the source. I always quote sources. Why would you assume this time be any different? I could care less whether or not you believe me, but don't f***ing accuse me of something I didn't do.
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You should have probably linked this article if you're going to suggest literally every single thing they advocate in it. Otherwise it looks like you're trying to pass off their ideas as your own. Clearly you'd never do that. https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-boeser-trade-target/
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Benning has already come out and said that Boeser is not available. However, this sort of thing happens all the time. Player is rumored to be available, GM says rumor is false, player gets traded shortly after... In saying that, even if he is available, it's not like if would be a cap dump. I think he'd still cost a fair bit to acquire, unless we also take Eriksson in the trade... To DET: Loui Eriksson, Brock Boeser To VAN: Dennis Cholowski That seems fair to me, but maybe add in a pick or two to even it out one way or the other...
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Also, I really like Jeremie Poirier with the 32nd overall pick. He's the best offensive defenseman in the draft by a pretty wide margin, but he's a liability defensively. Seems like that will drop him into the 2nd round. But he's a late birthday so he's got a little more immaturity in his game that you'd expect to round out as he matures. Rossi and Poirier and I'm a happy guy on draft day.
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Word on the street is Vancouver is looking to trade Brock Boeser for cap relief. Go. Get. Him. The guy's a stud, he's 23, he's a righty and he rounds out our top six really well. Bert-Larkin-Mantha Boeser-Rossi-Zadina Rasmussen-Veleno-Mastrosimone/Berggren I'm drooling over that top 9.
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He's in a great position to hit 30 again, and I think he will. I'm not sure I get the Mrazek analogy though...
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He's now in the best possible position to do it. If he can't do it again in Edmonton, then it was a fluke. He's the Petr Mrazek of forwards.
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Let's not. Larkin has a long way to go.
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I'm far from the biggest AA fan, but I'd take that bet.
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As a 30 goal scorer it is.
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What r u going to do if the Wings don't draft Rossi?
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3rd line F will get you a 3rd
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Admittedly I don't know s*** about goalies, but I'd have to give a long hard look at Askarov at 4. If your scouts genuinely believe that he's going to be another Price/Lundqvist/Luongo then he absolutely makes sense at 4th. But I have no idea what the likelihood of that is. Otherwise, there's no reason to overthink this. We need to take a center. We've been searching for a 2nd line center since Stephen Weiss. We have all the goal scoring on the wing we'd ever want. Mantha (if his dumbass would stop fighting) scores at the same rate as other top power forwards (like Ratanen) without half the talent around him. Zadina's goal scoring skills are obvious despite playing with total puds all year. Even our complimentary guy (Bert) scored over 20 goals. But we HAVE to get a center with dynamic offense. A guy that can kill teams on the half boards on the powerplay. A guy that can generate offense in all situations when you need it. I don't see Perfetti as a center. So it's either Rossi, Stutzle (if someone REALLY likes Drysdale) or (maybe) Hendrix Lapiere in a trade back scenario. The last one is risky because of his injury a year ago, but he was easily on his way to being a top 5-10 player before it.
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This wouldn't be the first goaltender that was touted as being a "can't miss", elite, number one though. He may be the best goaltender prospect pre-draft since Carey Price, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will translate to the NHL. He could just as easily become the next Jonathan Bernier or Jack Campbell. He'll likely be better than those guys, likely a number one, but will he be elite? Maybe?... Fair enough. I'd take the forward for sure. There will also be centers available at 4, that I would take before Askarov as well. Keep in mind, the 10th best winger, is still over a point per game player, and your number one goaltender is only playing 55-60 games a season, at most. Would you rather have Mitch Marner or Andrei Vasilevskiy? I'd slightly lean Marner, but I'd heavily lean Marner if the likelihood of the winger hitting that ceiling was much higher than the goalie hitting that ceiling, which I believe to be the case. #goaliesarevoodoo Even the elite of the elite goaltenders will have off games, and lose a game their team should have otherwise won. What?!? Why would any GM "build a team that needs a LOT from it's goaltender(s)"? That's the team we have right now, but that's definitely not the team Yzerman is trying to build...
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Personally, I don't want Askarov at 4. That being said, the thought of having a blue chip goalie prospect in the system that by all indications projects as elite tier is exciting, Mostly just shows how many massive holes Yzerman has to fill.
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I absolutely did skip entire posts and very quickly skim some others. I'll take your word for it that I did you kind of dirty by quoting only that one part. Wasn't trying to beef with you or be disingenuous. I saw you said you don't get why anyone would have any interest in taking Askarov at 4 or even trading back a bit for him, and I offered an answer. I feel I hit on the relevant points. I didn't knock them out of the park, but that wasn't really my intention. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Askarov probably wouldn't be my pick at 4, if I'm Yzerman. I'm generally of the same mind. But what I think is worth considering here is the fact that Askarov is so much better than the typical top first-year draft-eligible goalie. He appears to be a special case. I think I'd probably take the top goalie in the league over the 10th best winger. A team is made up of lots of skaters and only two goalies; those goalies will have an enormous impact on your team's fortunes. Your goaltending can very easily make you and very easily break you. I'd say that's especially true for teams that aren't loaded with top-end talent. Realistically, that's the kind of team we're building. One that's going to need A LOT from its goaltender(s). I get where you're coming from and I don't strongly disagree with your logic...but, at the same time, I think you're slightly overselling the caliber of candidates available at 4th overall. And I say that as someone who feels this is an unusually deep draft class. Again tho, I'm playing devil's advocate. At most, I'm Askarov-curious.
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yours truly, @ChristopherReevesLegs
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When is the first one? I am down.
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