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Step back from the ledge fellas. It’s a prospect tournament. Let’s maybe see how he looks after a year in the AHL. He is, after all, 20 years old.

There are no GMs that make zero mistakes, so if those are his worst transgressions we're in good shape. Svech, at best, would have been a third line winger, Regula looks like a depth defender (I thought he'd be better), and Cossa still projects as a starting goalie (even if he doesn't end up better than Wallstedt). He's made no glaring mistakes and has some considerable "wins" to his credit (e.g. mid to late round drafting, the Debrincat trade, the Walman trade). I guess you could say the Chiarot and Holl contracts are "mistakes" but neither of those deals block any young guys from playing time and it's not my money, so I don't think they're all that bad. If guys like Wallinder and Edvinsson can't (eventually) beat out Chiarot or Holl for a spot on the team then they're not ready to play in the NHL anyway.

I'm planning to get to a ton of GR games this year. This team is going to be loaded with future Red Wings, and should be one of the top teams in the AHL. I saw them a few times last season and it was cool seeing Edvinsson, Johansson, and Hanas out there. This year will be even better with Wallinder, Kasper, Mazur, Cossa, and Lombardi on the team too. I may end up watching more GR games live than Detroit games this season.

Name me one time you were anti-Zadina....I kid I kid I will give you credit. You were pretty much the one that called it from the start.

Personally, I have vowed to never get excited about hockey again.

So 6 days until the site goes down

i got bored and didnt finish it

Lucas is a 4th overall 21 year old winger that still has more expected of him. A good comparison is probably Alexis Lafreniere. Same age, same position, likewise needs to elevate his game yet. Lafren just signed $2.325 x 2. If I had to sign Raymond today I would be a lot closer to something like that than say the $6.5 AAV that's being tossed around. Raymond's current contract ends when he's 22, so I think a good extension for him looks like $3-3.5 million for 2-3 years. The contract ends when he's still in RFA control, so he can be given an appropriate long term contract based on his play at that time. But again, this could all vary wildly based on how this season goes. I know we are all hoping to see an 80 pt winger out there.

Biz is also doubling down on his statements. Saying he's heard this from "tons of players" lol specifically he said he heard it from Mike Commodore, Matt Commodore, Mike Pommodoro, Michael Commodore, Mike Commodore in a wig, Mike Commodore with a mustache, and others.

We all (I'm guilty) should realize that good GM's and scouts know more than us. Holland is not a good drafting GM. Zadina fell for a reason. He was ranked 3rd, each player 3-5 taken has been better, these teams knew not to take him as he fell. Holland just thought he was getting a gift handed to him, knowing damn well the team needed a D at that spot. Players fall for a reason. Patrick, Wright and even Seth Jones to a certain extent for example. In their draft year they were all talked about being the concensus choice at #1. Holland just isn't that smart. His drafting, trades, and UFA signings set this team back a decade.

Because folks REALLY need to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find Yzerman L's. In reality, the only major one is Chiarot. Even then, calling it major is a stretch.

Playoff bound. 14-3. Lalonde wants to fondle MCDCs huge balls.

F Mike Tirico saying there should be an asterisk next to the victory cause Jones and Kelce were out. How about the refs calling the tackle lined up deep and moving pre-snap to defend Hutchinson. Need to see if there is a Wings game on a Saturday and Lions game on Sunday would make for a fun weekend in Motown.....

How's everyone feeling about the Yzerplan after the offseason? I'm enthusiastic, but I'd be curious to hear what others think. Tear down Holland's mess. Check Hit on early and late round draft picks. Check Manage the cap, including maintaining flexibility and weaponizing it for picks. Check Trades, big and little. Check. Savvy free agent signings to plug holes and flip for more draft capital. Check Aside from winning the draft lottery I'm not sure how he could have done anything more.

People arguing semantics is a sign that the summer is almost over. I can't wait for the season to start, so we can argue about things that actually matter.

Cossa is dead to me

That’s too bad, I’m sure the team would have played their hearts out with such a worthy leader at the helm.

Babs does live rent free in people's heads.

Erne signs PTO with the Oilers WTF WHEN IS HOLLAND GONNA STOP POACHING OUR PLAYERS MFER Im listening to metallica and hitting the heavy bag right now to release the stress

After reading through that long thread, I apologize because I was still pretty stupid back then, still complaining too much and yes, still having to endure my whole Tippet and Hague crap I put you all through. I also apologize, because it seems I was the first one to mention knabbing Zadina on page 1! In my defense though we ALL were interested in him and all pretty much said it would be a miracle if he fell to us! Also, for all the "I wish Holland would've drafted Hughes" talk I put out there now, it seems, throughout the thread, even though I do mention him now and then as one of the choices at D, I was all about Bouchard. I even bitched and moaned that if Holland drafted Hughes or Boqvist over Bouchard, it would be the same old Holland playbook! A playbook, it seems, that I was making up as the days went on! Again, apologies. But honestly throughout the thread, we all seemed excited of the chance to have Zadina to fall to us, but we were also hoping for a D with our first pick. We all loved Holland's 4 picks, Zadina, Veleno, Berggren and McIsaac. We still have three of them, Berg seems like the best of them. Which, of course, I was still on my anti-Euro rants back then too, in which I really, REALLY apologize for! I honestly think I was just becoming anti-Holland at the time. Thank Goodness Yzerman is here now! Thank Goodness that I changed who I was to who I am now. But, honestly, I did provide some quality entertainment for you guys! My draft day/Trade Deadline and UFA meltdowns were and always will be epic! Franzen/Hudler and Tippet/Hague will go down as some of the best (and worst) banter on this forum! Drafts are a crapshoot, we all know this. We ALL pretty much fell for the Zadina Hype, as matter of fact here is the thread about that!

I don't care? Most likely injuries will answer that question for us.

I’ll always have blind faith that Yzerman is smarter than me when building a team. Theirs no other person I would rather have as GM

There 100% were sports people on Twitter posting about Detroit having interest in Stutzle leading up to that draft. It was likely based solely on the fact that Yzerman already drafted Seider from the same program before that. But it was still put out there, regardless of how true it may or may not have been. To expect folks to go back and find specific tweets from multiple years ago to prove it is just foolish. Let it go.

@The 91 of Ryans found your non Stutzle rumor from years ago in like 3 seconds. Your BS doesnt exist because youre making it up. Stop whining. Who is John Dietz? Never heard the name before. Makes me doubt. But this is still light years ahead in credibility over nothing burger @Axl Foley lol