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Matt Sheppard on WDFN brought up his name this morning. If we bought out Homer, traded Lilja and offered him a long term deal worth 4 million per, it would leave us over 500,000 to sign our last player and fill out our roster....... I'd take Tanguay over Sammy and Hudler combined. Unlikely, but just saying,...

I dont think guys like Hossa, Samuelsson, or Hudler were very loyal this offseason. How much longer do we need to send out players that are shadows of themselves, instead of putting out the best team possible.

You have not been around longer. WingsOwnNHL. I forgot my password. But thats neither here nor there. I hate when people feel the need to post merge thread. Just let the Mods do it.

I'd be willing to bet 80% of posters on here dont read more than the first page of LGW, when logging on. Gimme a break.

But should.

You must feel really cool doing this. Gotta love the rookie internet cops. There really should be a Bud Light Real Men of Genious ad for people like this.

No, in order for fil to do that, he needs to play on the powerplay.... which he will.

Looking back at the SCF, I thought our goaltending and top two lines were superior to the Pens. It was the depth of the Pens that actually ended up beating us. Samuelsson and Hudler are below average defensively and in a series where most of the minutes are played five on five, I thought they were exposed. With a core matched by very few consisting of Hank, Z, Mule, Flip, and Cleary, my knee jerk reaction after the finals was to let Samuelsson and Hudler go and bring in depth guys that are tougher to play against. The offensive flash is nice during the regular season, but when the game becomes tighter, and the power plays diminish, Hudler and Samuelsson are less necessary. I think we can replace these guys, fellas. We will be ok.

If we sign Jason Williams again, I may puke.

I wholeheartedly agree. I dont know where he's getting off. Especially after just being dominated by Pittsburghs third line.

As mentioned before, its not all about points. Hockey is played on both ends of the ice.

What else do you expect diehard red wing fans to do in the offseason?

I would agree with this. I would love to have both Filppula and Hudler, i just dont think Hudlers worth any more than 2.5 mil. I just dont agree with egroen's assessment of Filppula. I cant ever remember Draper averaging over 18 min per game in a playoffs. Also about the powerplay thing. Filppula is more than capable of playing the power play and probably will now that Hossa is gone. Filppula is very underrated as a distributor. I understood he wasnt on it last year and that is because Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hossa, Holmstrom, Hudler, Franzen were understandably on the top two units. Any other team, Filppula would be used in powerplay situations. Holland said it himself, you dont score in this league unless you play the powerplays. Ergroen if you like stats, look at this one. ppg-ppa-ppp Pavel Datsyuk 11-25-36 Hank 12-18-30 Hossa 10-13-23 Franzen 11-8-19 Hudler 6-22-28 Flip who didnt play on the powerplay 1-3-4 Even Strength breakdown Hudler 17-12-29 Filppula 11-25-36 This is with Flip playing just over two minutes per game more than Hudler. I cant wait to see how many points Flip puts up with powerplay time.

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Great point. Good Signing for Philly, especially after they just gave up an arm and a leg for Pronger.

Here's what I look at most. The series where there were the least amount of penalties, and the one that was most crucial. Agreed, it is Babs call. But just why is it that he doesnt choose to play him as much as a guy like, i don know, Filppula? Is it perhaps because he isnt as good? That's the main thing I was getting at. The 12 minute comment was obviously an exaggeration. Also, the 21 minute game during the playoffs.. Did you check to see if that was a triple over time game? Hahahahah. Of course he's gonna play more than he usually does.

Ok. Im sorry that my post about every point flying over your head, flew over your head, and that each of you three sentences in this post either took what I said out of context or is a fallacy. So Ill recap for you/break things down easier so you can understand... 1. My bottom line point has been that Valterri Filppula is a better all around player than Jiri Hudler, thus the reason why it would be idiotic to trade Filppula to re-sign Hudler, who is asking for MORE money than Filppula. 2. No where through out this thread has Hudlers offensive skill been called into question. The majority of Wings fans would agree that he is very gifted offensively. The knock on Hudler is that he is below average defensively and at times a liability. Which is one reason why Filppula averaged 5-6 minutes more per game in the playoffs, where for the most part, penalties are called at lesser rate than in the regular season. 3. My main criticism of you is that you look to much into stats, and that you dont actually watch games and identify what knowledgeable hockey minds are able to identify, the little things that dont show up on a score sheet, which is why I wrote what I wrote in my original post to you. You must not have read it. Here it is again. Dont take offense to this. Ive read some of your posts on here, and you seem like a good guy. However, it boggles my mind that for a fan base as blessed with great hockey and such a rich tradition as ours has, that so many people cant see how obvious it is that Filppula is heads and shoulders better than Hudler. I realize that people can simply watch hockey and be entertained by players skating around the rink at a fast pace scoring goals. My girlfriend likes watching but really doesnt have a clue how the game is played. If you are knowledgeable enough and watch how plays are developed, how the team breaks out of their zone, how players play their position, how players battle along the boards, win races to the puck, how certain players make heady plays that dont show up on the score sheet.. etc, this really isnt even a debate. If you arent able to watch the little things that go on in a game. To me, proof is in the pudding when Hudler cant be counted upon to play more than 12 minutes a game, and that some of those minutes are logged while we have a 5 on 4 advantage. At times, he is a liability. While I'd like to have Hudler back, it is pure idiocy to say he should be kept over Filppula. Filppula still hasnt even peaked offensively. 4. After going back and forth about alllllll of this, you come back at me with .........drum roll........ STATS.... about Hudler's offensive skill which no one at any point in this thread has argued!!!!!! Ok sorry about the length of this post. I just need to clarify why everything in this thread has went over your head.

Every point made during this thread has flown straight over your head.

Cheaper players like Hudler, who are asking for more money than Flip?

I can assure you that Holland hasnt looked into trading Filppula. Quite simply, if he has, he'd be gone. If Holland called another GM to talk about Filppula, he'd be gone in a New York minute. I'm done debating this as it really isnt a debate amongst the informed. The fact is you're in the vast minority that believe Hudler is better. And the fact that you suggest Red Kelly and Larry Aurie should have their number retired without having watching them play speaks volume into how little stock you put into the actual gameplay. Hudler is flashy and a highly skilled offensive talent, Ill give you that. But, a one-way talent is much more replaceable than the all around type in my opinion. To me, there arent as many players that buy into the playing atboth ends of the ice. That is why the Wings have been so successful. Our players play at both ends, and the majority of other teams top players do not.

Also, in case you missed it. One of the reasons we manhandled Chicago in the playoffs is because we have guys like Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Filppula, Cleary as opposed to Kane, Toews, Versteeg, We do it at both ends of the ice. I cant believe you just said you'd rather have a one-way player over a two-way player.

You are suggesting that we trade Filppula to sign Hudler. Hudler is asking for 3-3.5 million. Filppula makes 3 million. Filppula is more of a complete player. Am i missing something here? And no. I could say with confidence that Holland is not looking to trade Fillppula. 3 million is a hell of a nice cap hit for a 25 year old, complete, all around player, with a ton of playoff experience. Filppula is going no where.