RedWings Gone Wild

Apparently insulting teams/players with actual successes is part of his MO (see: Roy, Patrick). He's been off so far, let's hope the trend continues.

lol... as if my post was in any way complimenting or condemning the bashing of other goaltenders... it merely pointed out that, unlike what the poster stated, the bashing was happening.. As is the norm in this thread you tirelessly expound upon a meaningless and unnecessary point. Kudos.

double post.

Osgood's obviously going to get games in, and nobody is asserting anything to the antithesis... why you persist in posting these Tolstoy-esque rants (that you then say the team, babcock, and everyone else already knows anyways) is beyond me. The discussion has been on who should be getting the larger share of the load, and your persistence in naming the 6-5 record does nothing to enhance your argument, if anything it shows how little we can afford to needlessly play a struggling goaltender, since even a goaltender doing well is yielding average results with this team, imagine the record a struggling goalie would produce... That's not to say that Osgood would continue to struggle if given more starts... the nature of the record is more a result of the way our players have been playing, and how shorthanded we are. Simple as that.

To be fair, I don't agree with the comments of the guy you are arguing with Vladifan... but a quick glimpse through the thread will show you plenty of posts with Legacy/Hasek and other goalies of the past being bashed in favor of Osgood.

This is my last comment in this section (hopefully)... but realize that every one of your defenses of Osgood this season (quality of opponent, the way the Wings played in front of him, etc..) is directly refuted by the ways in which you prove other goaltenders are conversely weak... somehow, team plays a role in every one of Osgood's defeats, but then you undercut Howard's play based upon the record it's yielded? You use the same logic to undercut Legace. Is he psychologically weak? Yes. Was he good in net for us in the playoffs? Nope. But as with most of our early round flops (which easily outnumber our postseason successes) the story was in the lack of offensive productivity once the pressure was upped in the playoffs (every loss in that round was by a goal, some in multiple OTs... the team flat out stunk, not just Manny). Similar goaltending performances could be mentioned in 99-00, 00-01, too... I think goaltending is the least enviable position in the NHL (and perhaps sports), because success is so circumstantial, and goalies, like coaches, are the easiest ones to blame when things don't go right...

With the exception of Miller, this is a pretty uninspiring squad..

anyways, i'm bored of goalie talk. happy new yr all, time for drinking.

How's that related to playing the puck?

I've found the rate of occurance to be highly exaggerated is all... tho I didn't imply there were none

pssch. Hasek looked out of place playing the puck for sure... but he almost never wound up with a puck in his net because of it.

Lidstrom has 6 assists in his last 7 games... maybe he's finally getting the offense going. He's certainly made some beautiful passes the last few games.

4 goals! Holy s*** it's a scoring spree!

on the plus side, with the empty net maybe we'll score a fourth goal for the FIRST ***** TIME THIS MONTH... or did i just jinx us? Blame me.

how many FN damn penalties are we going to take tonight.... this is epically moronic.

Lol... do you read for context? I think he was implying that GAA and SV% are more important in measuring goalie quality than wins... which is pretty dead on... unless you think that Luongo in Florida was the worst goalie in the league based on his winning %.

HOLY s*** LEINO!

HELM!

Ritola's been looking damn good... now if our guys can stop taking damn penalties.

since the similar record has been brought up a few times for the last ten games I figured I'd post that data: Howard: Last 10 games: 31 shots…. 28 saves… 3 GA…. 0 GF 40 shots…. 39 saves…. 1 GA…. 0 GF 21 shots…. 17 saves…. 4 GA…. 3 GF 30 shots…. 30 saces…. 0 GA…. 3 GF 32 shots….. 30 saves… 2 GA…. 3 GF 27 shots…. 25 saves…. 2 GA…. 3 GF 26 shots…. 25 saves…. 1GA….. 0 GF 29 shots…. 28 saves…. 1 GA…. 3 GF 36 shots…. 32 saves…. 4 GA…. 1 GF 30 shots…. 29 saves…. 1 GA…. 4 GF Shots: 302 shots faced…. 283 saved (.937 %). 19 GA… 20 GF Osgood: Last 10 games: 35 shots… 32 saves… 3 GA…. 0GF 35 shots… 33 saves… 2 GA…. 3 GF 26 shots… 23 saves…. 3 GA (4 including Shootout)…. 3 GF 17 shots… 14 saves…. 3 GA… 0 GF 25 shots… 22 saves…. 3 GA…. 1 GF 20 shots… 18 saves…. 2 GA…. 1 GF 28 shots… 23 saves…. 5 GA…. 1 GF 34 shots… 33 saves…. 1 GA…. 1 GF (2 if including SO) 29 shots…. 29 saves…. 0 GA…. 2 GF 21 shots…. 20 saves… 1 GA…. 3 GF Shots: 270 shots faced…. 247 saves made (.914)… 23 GA… 15 GF Mind you, this is pretty subjective, since Osgood's last 10 extend back to when we had a healthy team (only Franzen was out at the time).

The team played terribly in front of Osgood against Chicago, no doubt... but the game was 1-0 before he let in two supremely awful goals. It took it from a game we could have potentially pulled out of our rear-ends (despite not deserving the win) to a game we had no chance of winning. Howard couldn't be blamed for any of the goals he allowed against Chicago. Now, you're using absurd logic. I used an analogy of similar opponents to illustrate the difference in playing that has occurred throughout the season with these two netminders (a single instance to paint a broader picture).. a difference most everyone on these message boards has expressed seeing.. then, you counter with a game Howard played that serves as nothing more than an isolated glimpse at a poor game, one I could counter with a myriad of clippings from the defense you use for Osgood thus far "he's played well, let him play through one bad game"... " They (the team) had nothing that Game".... etc. The Edmonton game is hardly a working picture of Howard's play this season... The same simply can't be said for Osgood. lol........ yes, i'm sure Osgood won't get another chance at the goaltending job... absurdity. As I said, even despite being sick for weeks, Osgood is right with Howard on the number of starts... You're going pretty overboard when you're implying that Osgood won't get a chance to redeem himself (the season is at the half-way point, and he's played half the games... pretty safe to say Howard isn't getting 43 straight starts from this point on). In fact, as I've mentioned in previous threads, Osgood plays better when he's been challenged and confronted.... he also plays better when he's been given "mental vacations" from the net (see: 2008-09).

Since 1962: Canada: 1 Olympic gold, 5 World Championship gold. Czech Republic (not a country until 1993): 1 Olympic gold, 5 World Championship gold. Underestimate this team at your own peril.

As many have stated, allowing an Osgood return to form in actual games simply isn't a luxury this team has... especially considering he hasn't grabbed the reigns with any real tenacity any time he's been given a start... and contrary to your claims, he has been poor in net.. a simple glance back through the highlights of his games played would more than accentuate that point. He's made a habit of letting in very stoppable goals at crucial moments. Osgood isn't a workhorse goaltender... I'm not sure he'd be capable of Luongo or Broduer type minutes either, not because of skill, but because of the likelihood of sustaining an injury or wearing him too thin before the playoffs. He's also never shown that he is the type of goaltender that plays better with a lofty load. If you look at the numbers, they already are splitting games (18 starts for ozzie, 21 for Howard... and the only reason Howard is ahead is because Osgood was ill for a while).... but to use your analogy... one faucet has turned out heat rather consistently (not overwhelmingly so tho), while the other has occasionally come out warm... sometimes cold... and sometimes it's just to rusty colored to even try touching it. My guess is there is favoritism at play here, and you most likely would have taken the opposite stance when Hasek was playing poorly and Osgood was stealing the show. Also, sorry, Osgood hasn't shown any superhuman deified ability to save the team when the team needs him... He's won two cups, so I'd say he played a vital role in helping the team win in those two instances... but he's also played 13 seasons with us, and has more early round flops on his resume than cup hoisting performances... To say that anything is a guarantee, or even more certain, with Osgood in net simply isn't so.

Osgood is a fantastic goalie... but to those saying he hasn't struggled this year... get real... he's let in some amazing softies, and his five-hole is, as many have jokingly stated, easily the worst in the NHL right now. Honestly. The difference in goaltending is especially evident in the last two Chicago games. Statistically, Osgood had a better outing than Howard, only because they let in the same number of goals, but Osgood on slightly more shots. But look at the quality of goals allowed, and the timing, and you'll realize why Osgood is getting this treatment. Howard's 3rd allowed was when the game was already irrelevant, but prior to that it was still a contest... Osgood let in two stinkers within minutes of each other to end the second period and completely demoralized the team... Same score, but a big difference in goaltending. The biggest problem is obviously that the Wings got shut out in both of those games... but if we are to isolate on goaltending, Osgood has been a major disappointment for a team desperate for a savior. To say that he needs games to find his rhythm is fine, but he's never been a rhythm goaltender.... I mean, the man's topped 50 games started twice this decade, not exactly a workhorse.... if serving backup to a guy who's NHL career was on life-support before this season doesn't motivate Osgood, nothing will.

They've basically stated as much.