sticknmove

You are joking

WTF are you talking about. Your sting babble is so far off base I really do not know where to start. I am not giving experience credit you say? Your kidding, right. Because losing a guy like lang or Schnids, hell even Bertuzzi for what its worth caused our playoff experience levels to rise? UM, ok. I think you are blond by a wet dream you once had of Flip morphing into something better then the marginal second liner he currently is. Cleary was one of our best players in the playoffs last year, so your argument of him turning it up is somewhat moot, and franzen is franzen. He is a great defensive, shut down forward. He will continue to do so, but he does not offer much in our needed secondary scoring dept.

Marian Hossa, Olli Jokinen, , Jeff Carter, John-Michael Liles, Tom Preissing, Brad Stuart, Ladislav Nagy, Ron Hainsey, Michael Ryder, Miroslav Satan, Bobby Holik, David Vyborny, Mike Peca, Ruslan Fedotenko, Chris Gratton, Marek Malik, Rhett Warrener

GODAMNIT! We NEED secondary scoring, so instead of getting a Hossa (god forbid) you would think Kenny would go after Feds, or a guy like Cooke. Think again, he's playing patty cake foir Brad F*cking Stuart and signed Darren Mac, I love Mac, but I think you get my jist.

We are in no way stronger then last year. Who is making up for the point production that Lang brought. Rafalski x's out Schneider, but we have NO secondary point production. Hell, Bertuzzi was at least a threat. We are are not much worse, but in no means are we better then we were last year.

Stuart? Wow, that was one of the rumors I was actually hoping fell through. Oh well, what can you do. At least the secondary scoring that cripples us is all patched up with that move.

Not really, but then again we didn't have the gaping hole in our secondary scoring in any of those years like we do now. Instead of waiting to the trade deadline to stack our team we would sign Hull, Robitaille, Hasek, et cetera. You know IMPACT players in the pre-season opposed to waiting the full year. The comparison just don't fly.

Come On Kenny......We Need A C-O-R-Y C-R-O-S-S sized move, I know it is asking alot, but we need to gear up for the postseason, you know the part of the year that actually f*cking matters

I like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, but PB&J's aint going to help us win a cup. The same can be said for Peca

Its always going to be a predominant sellers market with the NHL with a cap and the number of teams that make the playoffs. It's the GM's that can remain successful (THAT MEANS MORE THE A GOOD REGULAR SEASON BTW) with the cap that set apart good managment from great management. Hollands problem is that he has NO BALLS, and you rather play it safe, and win 45+ games in the reg season every year and pray to make it through a couple rds in the playoffs, opposed to shaking it up and doing what needs to be done to bring in a missing link before the post season. ****crossing fingers for a cory cross style player****

Damn I am jealous. Those are sweet pictures. Have fun at the game tonight, and be careful in your red and white

Well at least you are doing your part in ending them, that is by posting in the very thread you are whining about

I am sick of people who refuse to acknowledge the fact that we are inept in getting it done in the playoffs. Just because you are happy with a 45 + win regular season and nothing else doesn't mean everyone else is.

We won't make it out of the second round. You would think sirens would be going off that signal a need for change when year after year we have an amazing regular season, and fall apart right around playoff time. This is not a stanley cup winning team. These were- 1996-97 Season In Review It was the year the ultimate prize finally came back to Detroit, but it was a season which concluded under tragic circumstances. Nine Wings – Canada's Steve Yzerman, Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau, Russia's Vyacheslav Kozlov, Igor Larionov, Sergei Fedorov and Viacheslav Fetisov and Sweden's Nicklas Lidstrom and Tomas Holmstrom – participated in the pre-season World Cup, along with Detroit assistant coach Barry Smith, who worked with the Swedes and trainer John Wharton, who served with the Russians. An October trade brought left-winger Brendan Shanahan to Detroit and hope to Hockeytown. Shanahan led the club with 47 goals and 88 points and was aware of his status. "I'm not saying I'm the missing piece of the (Stanley Cup) puzzle," Shanahan said. "But I definitely think I can be a big piece in that puzzle." Shanahan, Yzerman and Fetisov played in the NHL All-Star Game and Shanahan tied a club record February 12 with three goals in one period of a 7-1 win against San Jose. Sergei Fedorov scored all five goals December 26 as the Wings edged Washington 5-4. A scoreless tie December 10 with Edmonton was Detroit's first 0-0 game since 1976-77. Before the playoffs commenced, a score was settled. Colorado came to town March 26 and a brawl saw Detroit's Darren McCarty pummel Colorado's Claude Lemieux, exacting revenge for Lemieux's cheap shot on Kris Draper in the 1996 playoffs. McCarty scored the game-winner after 39 seconds of overtime to give Detroit a 6-5 win and much more. "Detroit won the Stanley Cup that night," confessed Colorado goalie Patrick Roy. Officially, the inscriptions on Lord Stanley's mug weren't earned until a sweep of Philadelphia in the final series, following series wins over St. Louis, Anaheim and Colorado en route to Detroit's date with destiny. The party was sweet and sadly, short. Less than a week after their first Cup triumph in 42 seasons, Fetisov, Konstantinov and team masseur Sergei Mnatsakanov were injured in a limousine crash, the latter two suffering career-ending closed-head injuries. "For a team as close as us, for this to finish it off, it's the worst thing that could ever happen," forward Mathieu Dandenault said. 1997-98 Season in Review The campaign commenced with heavy hearts and a specific goal in mind, a sentiment expressed on the shoulders of every Red Wings jersey. "Believe," said the crest in Russian and English. While defenseman Vladimir Konstantinov and team masseur Sergei Mnatsakanov fought the battle of their lives to overcome brain injuries suffered in an off-season limousine accident, the Wings set about on their mission to retain Lord Stanley's mug without their fallen comrades. They'd also have to start the season without center Sergei Fedorov, holding out in a contract dispute with the team. A 10-1-2 start to the season got the Wings rolling, but there would be periods of struggle - enough to allow Dallas to claim first place in the Central Division, three points ahead of Detroit, which finished 44-23-15. Captain Steve Yzerman led the club with 69 points, the first time he'd been Detroit's leading scorer since 1992-93. Brendan Shanahan's 28 goals were the lowest total to top the team in 21 seasons. Winger Doug Brown tied two club marks December 19 with three goals and four points in one period of a 5-4 victory over New Jersey. The return of Fedorov to the lineup came February 3, when he signed a six-year, $38-million deal, which included a $14-million signing bonus and a $12-million bonus if the Wings advanced to the final four. The NHL went to the Winter Olympics for the first time and the Wings were well represented. Yzerman and Shanahan (Canada), Fedorov (Russia) and defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom (Sweden) all participated. Shanahan, Lidstrom, center Igor Larionov and defenseman Slava Fetisov performed in the NHL All-Star Game. In the playoffs, winger Slava Kozlov scored a record-tying four game winners, while the club set records with 75 goals and six shorthanded markers. Fedorov's 10 goals during the playoffs and three points May 3 in the second period of a 5-2 series-clinching win over Phoenix tied team marks. After rallying from a 2-1 series deficit to oust Phoenix in six games, St. Louis won the first game of the second round, but Detroit again came back to win in six. The Wings never trailed the Western Conference final against Dallas, taking another six-game verdict. Only Washington stood in the way of a repeat. The Capitals were swept aside in the minimum four games and Stanley stayed put in Hockeytown. 2001-02 Season in Review n the spring of 2001, for the first time in seven years, the Stanley Cup had been decided without a single round being decided in Detroit's favor. You didn't need to be a member of the Red Wings organization to know that such failure wouldn't fly. Within days of their first-round upset at the hands of the Los Angeles Kings, the wheels of change were set in motion, with six-time Vezina Trophy-winning goalie Dominik Hasek arriving from Buffalo. Hasek would handle the stopping and free agents Luc Robitaille and Brett Hull were signed to beef up the club's goal-scoring potency. The Wings jumped from the gate like Secretariat in the Belmont, leaving all challengers behind. Rolling to a 28-12-6-3 start, they were the talk of the hockey world, winning the President's Trophy as NHL regular-season champions with 116 points. As befitting a team of great legends, milestone performances abounded. Reigning Norris Trophy holder Nicklas Lidstrom garnered two assists Oct. 12 in a 4-2 win over Buffalo to surpass Reed Larson (570 points) as Detroit's all-time top-scoring defenseman. Brendan Shanahan beat Colorado's Patrick Roy March 23 to record his 500th NHL goal. He also garnered his 1,000th NHL point. Scotty Bowman coached his NHL-record 1,200th game and joined Jack Adams as the only men to post 400 wins as Wings coach. When Steve Yzerman set up Mathieu Dandenault's overtime winner Jan. 20 against Ottawa, it gave the Detroit captain 1,000 NHL assists. Robitaille joined Yzerman and Hull in the NHL's exclusive 600-goal club Nov. 9 at Anaheim, but didn't' stop there. Jan. 18 against Washington, Robitaille scored his 612th career goal, to surpass Brett's dad Bobby Hull as the all-time leading goal scorer among left wingers in NHL history. Lidstrom won the Norris Trophy as the NHL's top defenseman, but for all the history they made, only one bauble interested this group - Lord Stanley's mug. The Cup would make a comeback to Detroit, but not without first providing a couple of frightening moments. The Wings dropped their first two games of their first-round series on home ice against Vancouver, then rallied to win the set in six. St. Louis fell easily in five games in the second round, leaving Colorado the last team in the way of a return trip to the Stanley Cup Finals. When the Avalanche grabbed a 3-2 series lead, things looked grim. But Hasek delivered back-to-back shutouts, the second coming in a memorable 7-0 Game 7 rout in which the Wings chased long-time nemesis Roy to the bench. The upstart Carolina Hurricanes upset the applecart with a Game 1 OT win at the JLA, but the Wings prevailed in a five-game final series. This golden team had provided Hockeytown another silver lining. And until we can put teams together with more scorers, and depth we will remain a regular season champ, and nothing else. I understand the cap, so we will have to work a little differently. Instead of nipple feeding 5-10 "untouchable" prospects we may in fact have to move 1 or 2 to get a guy like Hossa, or anyone along those lines. But nope, people get attached, and say "but what about in 5 years", or some quasi analytical attempt at favoring the insulation of any possible trade bait we have. Until then, get used to watching highlight tapes of the years past, cause there will not be a cup here anytime soon.

Spare me your tired routine. You know absolutely nothing about me, so please refrain from commenting on my appetite for stimulation. I agree Holland doesn't shy away from deals, you know what else he doesn't do, formulate a winning equation for the playoffs. You call me a zealot, fine, you are wrong but you are free to say whatever you want. I call you someone trying to portray a sense of logic, and understanding above everyone else's, when really all you are is a 1996-2001 era fan who finds the memories of our cup wins as a acceptable substitute for our current playoff failures. I can not wait to read your "prophecies" upon our exit from the playoffs. But hey, maybe I will head over to youtube and search for some 1998 wings highlights and see if it works for me as well.

Rightfully so. I am surprised more people here are not dissapointed in yet another failed opportunity to add an element to our team which would better our chances, I mean really impact our likelihood, of competing for the Stanley Cup.

You make a very, very good point. One that I happen to completely agree with. I mean how long until the nostalgia of our cup wins in the late 90's wears off? Jesus, we do dick in the playoffs and nothing. Its all about building prospects, which is obviously necessary, but to an extent. look at the differences between our cup winning squads and this one. Then tell me you don't see a difference.

WHo cares really, it is clear we aren't getting him. That's all that really matters. Whomever pointed out the fact the the only availabilities we could end up nabbing would come in the form of a role player, not a impact player such as Hossa, is 100% correct. Frustrating. But correct.

No I am afraid he is correct, and you, with best intentions, are simply denying the reality that the wings do not have the offense it takes to win the stanley cup. It's really painfully obvious if you can look at it in the perspective of either a) comparing our roster now to the rosters we had when we won the 3 cups, or b) look at our roster now compared to our competitions.

Really, I seem to believe us making it to the WCF opposed to the two prior years where we made quite an untimely exit from the playoffs. I am not solely crediting the move for our success last year just pointing out the irony in the fact that for the first time in a long while we make it to the WCF the same year we finally have a sack and do something before the trade day deadline.

Ya other teams making moves, god forbid we did anything brash, I mean heck, a regular season and pipe dream of the stanley cup are good enough for me. But really how long can we live of the memories of the late 90's

No I think, well at least in speaking for myself, that people get pissed that Kenny doesn't do the things that make us a successful playoff team. I mean heck, if the regular season determined the Stanley Cup we would be the golden god of all sports franchises, unfortunately it doesn't work that way. And with so many people becoming content on a AWESOME regular season, and "we'll get them next" year mentality after another playoff exit the status quo we are now living in will remain as is/

The hit was perfectly fine, nothing dirty about it. Remember hockey is a contact sport.

If this is the case, get ready to make an exit in the 2nd round of the playoffs, if we are lucky. This is turning into a joke, you would think ANOTHER spectacular reg. season only to tailspin at the end of the year (and unless they do something major, the playoffs) would lead to some sort of new approach. I guess not.

“guys like Hudler, Kopecky or Lebda?” Nice, we will be able to get that prime time offensive threat we so desperately need for sure. Jesus, this is turning into a joke.