Z and D for the C

Filppula will no doubt put them over the top.

Lebda hasn't been bad defensively lately, but I'm sick of wasting our time with the puck with his horrible rushes that never result in anything except the puck coming back into our zone.

With Flip / Without GP: 34 / 27 Points Possible: 68 / 54 Points Acquired: 36 / 32 Points Percentage: 53% / 59% But that's really just for "fun", there is no doubt our record with Flip would be worse if he wasn't in and our record without him would be better if he was in.

Filppula looks at least 13 1/2.

Jesus the chick who got that goal for finland looks like she's 12 years old.

lol womens hockey.

God damnit.

They're all commies.

gcom probably isn't even kidding!

too bad for Homer, but I'm glad he gets the rest. I hope he is too.

Sorry, but I'm looking for Finland to do well.

I'm mostly worried about Kronwall, and I hope that Holmstrom doesn't play. I think the best thing that could happen is Sweden getting knocked out early.

And only 23 when they win.

Stupid Dallas. more like Dalass.

There is no personal attack there, unless you think a personal attack is calling your arguments weak.

1. Playing on the second line Filppula has 16 points in the last 21 games. That's good for more than 60 points, and if he continues to play on the 2nd line this season I think that ratio would continue to improve. Now I'm not saying that if Filppula played 82 games this season that he would absolutely get 60 points (though that is my opinion if he plays on the 2nd line), I'm just giving a value to his point totals over the past 21 games. I think 60 points is more than good enough to play on a second line. And again I'm repeating myself (as I'm sure I will again and again) when I remind that Filppula has played with third liners getting those 16 points. Give him Franzen and that impoves even more. For your player comparisons, Marleau probably hasn't spent 1 minute centering the 2nd line this year. Washington is an incredibly offensive team and Fleischmann is one of your better second liners I'm sure. Malkin would be the #1 center on any team other than Pittsburgh for obvious reasons. Here is one of mine: Antione Vermette plays on the BJ's first line (I believe) and his paec is comparable to Filppula's. Mike Fisher plays on Ottowa's second line and his pace is comparable to Filppula's. Jarret Stoll plays ont he Kings second line and has comparable numbers. I could go on. 2. Filppula's current pace is at .65 PPG over the entire season. He is going to play 21 games left in the season (barring injury) and to keep his overall .6 PPG pace he only needs 11 points. Even on the third line he can keep .5 PPG easily. He won't finish under .6 PPG. 3. I disagree about him being weak on the boards, and he is not a finisher. Saying he can't finish "even on an open net" is taken entirely out of context. I was a near impossible angle for a lefty when he missed that and it happened in a split second. His positives outweigh his negatives. He has more good plays than bad plays. 4. I think he will peak at 70 points, if he plays on the second line. 5. I think that Datsyuk and Zetterberg won't perform well enough on separate lines to warrant them being kept apart. I think they should be kept together and Filppula should center the second line. If you trade Filppula for a scoring winger you don't have a second line center. However, I have said multiple times that if Filppula will never play on the Red Wings second line when we're healthy over an entire season EVER, then he should be traded as it is a waste of his talent. 6. I answered that in the first part.

This is what I got out of that: "You guys are making too many logical points for me to logically argue against and not end up looking stupid, so I'm just going to embellish your arguments to make you look dumb and rehash what I've said despite it being already argued against in hopes that the wordiness of it makes me look correct".

Yeah but if he included that info then he'd be wrong. Mis-information was the only way he could counter your legit point and appear correct.

His production went up 100% from his first to his second season, and now his production can't increase just a quarter of that while he is still developing? And sorry, your "increasingly better linemates and more ice time" argument is also simply wrong. I know you weren't expecting this but last year, his TOI per game went down almost a whole minute from 16:56 in 07/08 to 16:06 in 08/09. His PP TOI was cut in half. His position on the depth chart went down. Despite all this he still managed to get 4 more points than the previous year. 2008-2009 for Filppula was a developmental enigma and frankly should be ignored. But it won't be, because the desire to use the out-of-context information is too overwhelming.

Here is what I think of Bertuzzi. I think anyone who thinks we can have a line of Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Holmstrom again and do well is kidding themselves. That line shined when we had our second line full of AHLers and Bert was just inexplicably hot during those 7 or 8 games. That is not a line that will perform over time. I also don't think that putting him with Zetterberg will yield any significant results. Zetterberg isn't performing well at all, and he damn sure can't carry another underachiever on his wing. In both of these cases he's going to be the #2 guy, and that just won't work for him, or the team. So, when you split up Datsyuk and Zetterberg and try to have a 1a/1b thing, I think you end up having a 2a/2b. I'm sure no one will be surprised to see my solution, Datsyuk and Zetterberg together, and then Franzen Filppula and Bertuzzi on the second line. ZDH is proven, and Datsyuk and Zetterberg are re-kindling their chemisty. This line probably won't be as good as it was in 07-08, but it is the clear cut best line we can put together, and that should be our first line. Then we have our second line With Franzen-Filppula being the main pair and Bertuzzi being the #3 guy, WHERE HE SHOULD BE. Bertuzzi is still a guy who scored almost 100 points, and he knows how to be great. When he is counted on to produce he'll be found wanting, but as a supplemental guy I think he's in the perfect place.

Just a disclaimer.

LOL @ randomly making his ppg .54 because you feel like it. That's ridiculous. Of 4 1/2 months and 3/4 of a season his ppg is .65. That's 51st. Stop replacing numbers that prove you wrong with numbers that seemingly make you right. Why on earth would his PPG be WORSE if he didn't get injured? I'm guess you think it's a good thing the wings have been injured to hell this year or they might be last in the conference.

You said he isn't playing like a second line center (that's present tense). Presently, the way Filppula is playing, he has 16 points in 21 games. If that isn't playing like a second line center, tell me, explicitly, what is. Those points totals are also from playing with Cleary, Williams, Bertuzzi, Miller. Put Franzen on his line and see what happens.

Glad to hear Kronwall is back, hopefully he doesn't re-re-injure himself.

So if 16 points in the last 21 games isn't playing like a top 6 player, what is?