Z and D for the C

I only did the last 3 year thing because someone else brought it up. Points are irrelevant. Hudler is a little shrimp who is too small to make it big in the NHL (proof? see: where chose to play) whereas Bertuzzi is huge. Their point totals are similar, so I would rather have Bertuzzi. If Hudler magically grew half a foot, he'd be a top 10 star in this leage. Instead, he is a midget. Such is life.

In the past three years Bertuzzi has player 149 games assembling 95 points. Hudler has played in 145 more games to only get 29 more points. Taking size into consideration, Bertuzzi > Hudler.

Franzen Flip Bertuzzi together = huge line. (Not too much flip, but he's big in wings terms)

You're a fool.

Hardly. that's a little under 10%. For a cab driver that tried to forge paperwork to get his license back after drunk driving, I can image a scenario where he wouldn't deserve much of a tip.

What does he think is going to change in 2 years?

I really hope Holland at least offered him this much.

s***, Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't even alive when Gordie Howe was ripping it up. Bring back Gordie and get rid of Pav!

I'm guessing you can say that for a very large majority of signings in the NHL.

Or maybe Zherdev is just smart enough to wait himself.

If it's for under or around 1 million, I'd be disappointed, but I'm sure it's upwards of 2 million, and thus too much.

lol @ helm centering the second line over Flip. And I think Z used to play wing with Pav centering. I might be wrong though.

It's possible. Really unlikely though. Toews is an RFA and I don't see the wings giving up draft picks for a player as they'd likely have to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd just to sign him.

Paying a goalie more than 5 million is ludacris imo.

How come no one thought of this before?! It's fool proof!

Sammy 28 goals in Vancouver : Under Huds 56 points in the KHL : Over Datsyuk 100 pts : Over Wings 47 wins : Over Ozzie 50 starts : Under Wings under 2.5 goals against per game : Under Mule 40 goals : Over Ovie 60 goals : Under Wings 10 fighting majors : Under Crosby 120 pts : Under Tavares 20 goals: Over

Yes, but I'd much rather have Lilja/Ericsson than Ericsson/Meech or Ericsson/Lebda

Zetterberg Datsyuk Homer Fran Flip Scorer-we-will-sign Leino Helm Cleary Maltby Draper Eaves

Hudler obviously doesn't know what restricted free agency is. He said he wasn't obligated to anything.

In retrospect, 65 points may have been high. Are you happy now? Do you want a ******* cookie?

My god, how scientifical. How could I not have seen this before? Why didn't you tell me such an all knowing societys such as SPORTSNET and TSN and the all mighty DRAKE MARCUS say that Valtteri Filppula will only ever amount to a second line center (And EVERYONE knows if someone is pegged a "second line center" that it's only possible that they get 50 points in their career year and that anything else is ridiculous). ... What are you going to tell me next? That the bible is true because it says so in the bible? And I'm not under the impression you don't like Filppula, it's just that I think you're underestimating his potential.

Next person who starts a Sundin to the wings thread should be banned.

So show me the scouting reports Ken Holland saw regarding Filppula that you seem to know so much about. Last year I agree that Hudler was better on the PP, but in the playoffs Hudler got (more than) double the PP ice time and exactly double the PP points as Filppula. You do realize that players get better over time right? At the end of his contract Filppula is going to be a steal. And how is what you bolded foolish? Filpulla gets more ES scoring than Hudler, and in the playoffs last year their PP point/minute ratio was nearly identical. Same PP totals and Flip outproducing at ES equalss Flip has more points. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&...;fp=vadHe-UdmfQ Filppula's development was stunted by the addition of Hossa, this is fact. It's not just about TOI which you stat hounds seem to drool over, it the role on the team. Anyway I'm done arguing this. I'll let the season speak for itself at this point, I'll be sure to bring this up again when Filppula surprises the best minds here.

I said 70 points eventually, I think he'll get around 55 points this season. But some people think even that is unrealistic, which itself is thoroughly unrealistic. Here is some fun stats for you though. In even strength scoring, Filppula is the 34th ranked center. And OMG get this, he is ranked 35th in even strength TOI! Not tenth, not 15th or 20th, 35th. One lower than he "should be" given his even strength scoring. And since so many people here knock Filppula for having such a small "point per minute" number, this should speak for itself. My point: If Filppula got as much PP time as Hudler, he'd have more points than him at the end of the season.

Again, LOL. Looking at his goal highlgihts you have to go back more than 2 years (3/29/2007) for him to score a goal on one of his (in)famous rushes. Even if he does get one a season, they're so useless. And yeah, we've all heard the hands thing before. And it's been de-bunked. Flip has great hands. Look at the videos. Or should we just trust your word over actual video evidence?