Z and D for the C

Two more years and a raise. Thanks, Berty!

We signed Franzen early in 2009 if I recall correctly. Hossa signed with Chicago July 1st. It took one day for Chicago to deal with Hossa. I guarantee that we could have come to terms with Hossa had we not signed Franzen. And even if we didn't, we would have had plenty of time to sign Franzen if talks broke down with Hossa. There was zero chance of losing both. There was no reason to sign Franzen so early. It was a complete blunder by Holland, and I'm no Holland basher. And yes, I forgot about his off season shoulder surgery. You're still not going to not sign elite talent just because they're going to miss a few months in the beginning of the season. And we got to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals with an injured team with much less motivation than Pittsburgh after winning the cup the year before. Hossa, while maybe not scoring as many goals as expected had some key goals and played well. People need to stop blaming him. Our entire team broke down after winning the first two games of the finals.

Um, Franzen played 27 games in 09-10. And he was a "one year rental"? Even using the phrase "rental" completely wrong, what does that have to do with anything? The only possible thing you can say about Franzen is that he had a couple playoffs where he performed better than Hossa, but what you're forgetting is that just because Hossa isn't scoring goals doesn't mean he isn't doing anything. He provides so much more beyond goal scoring that Franzen doesn't. Defense, speed, back checking, work ethic, play making. Hossa is twice the player Franzen will ever be.

...maybe he means no other moves like no other moves than the one just submitted that we haven't heard about yet..?

If anyone wants to pass the time, refresh the forum page and watch how fast the views for this thread goes up.

No thanks. Thanks, Franzen. Like we didn't think you were slow and lazy before.

Well, yeah, that's what a rental is,

Unfortunately I don't think these Stuart rumors are coming from nowhere.

I call big fat ugly bulls***.

Overpayment.

Would also mean that he's trying to bring in multiple players. Maybe Roy/Gaustad? Edit: Or, maybe not. I guess he could be trying to get a single player for pick(s).

Maybe Holland is trying to move contracts to get less than 50 contracts signed. Also, whats the condition?

Okay, now I'm interested.

Yeah, would have meant we wouldn't have signed Jason Williams. Oh the calamity.

Would it be much of a stretch to say that Holland's biggest career mistake will be Franzen over Hossa? It hurts to think how good our top 6 would be with Hossa, especially given he only makes a million or so more than Franzen.

I would. Maybe I wouldn't sell the farm for him, but he'd be an incredible pick up. He's 22 and has the skill. Maybe the fact he hasn't lived up to expectations would lower his price. Maybe a couple prospects and a pick? They need D. I think it'd be worth it.

I'd die for Gagner. I wonder if there are any rumors or activity around him.

Goals scorers can be streaky if they do other things than score goals. Franzen doesn't. I've said it a million times, if Franzen isn't scoring goals, he isn't doing anything. That's his problem.

As long as he's back for the playoffs.

Quincey directly involved with all 3 goals. Maybe he shouldn't be playing against his just-traded-from team.

I'd like to see Sam Gagner or Selanne. Both would be also sweet.

Wings won't be getting any of them. Cap hits are too high for too long.

Please don't include Franzen in that group. I don't think a single person would be sad to see Franzen traded away.

I can't. Dom gets called, but he doesn't on that? It's bulls***, that should have been a penalty. So now players can dive at players feet and not get called?

I think it's kind of funny. They're kind of lame, but there is the humor. NHL.com is my homepage.