Doggy

Giguere's always been a prima donna.

I think he's referring to a struggling teams difficulty having a payroll above the cap floor. That's how they'd be helped financially. By going under the cap floor because space was traded elsewhere.

I keep seeing people make posts where they imply that moving a player on LTIR somehow gives a team cap space. This is not the case. It was spoken about in another thread but I thought making a thread solely about this might get more views an maybe clear up this misunderstanding. It's an easy mistake to make. For those thinking that Lilja, Franzen and Filppula's long-term injuries will help our cap situation -- it won't. It's clearly stated in the CBA that a player on long-term injured reserve still counts against a team's cap hit. It appears that the misconception is derived from a certain rule that allows a team the ability to go over the cap a certain amount. Specifically, the player/s required to replace the injured player may allow a team over the cap limit if the replacement salary pushed them over however, the replacement salary/ies cannot equal more than that of the player on LTIR and the team must come back into compliance as soon as the injured player is activated. Eg. We can call up or trade for $3m worth of players to replace Flip, but we cannot necessarily go over the cap limit by $3m. If Detroit was $3.5m under the cap ceiling, they wouldn't be allowed to go over at all because Flip's salary is worth only $3m. Cap relief is only granted if replacing a players salary pushes a team over the cap ceiling. Trading for a player to replace Flip or Franzen would not be fruitful because they will return this season, thus Ken Holland would see severe problems complying to the cap when they're healthy. So really, calling players up from GR is the only sensible course of action in the current cap state. With regards to Lilja, chances are he will not return this season. If that is the case, a trade can be made to replace his $1.25m salary. However, as it stands (the pro-rated picture changes every day) with our current space of almost $3m, it's most likely that we would not be granted cap relief for Andreas Lilja's replacement as it wouldn't push us over the cap ceiling. The way around this, is for Kenny to make multiple trades, preferrably close to the deadline. One (or more) that pushes us to the limit, followed by one where he requires the NHL's permission to exceed the limit due to Lilja's LTIR status. This of course, is only if Lilja cannot return. So, in a nutshell -- these injuries are really not much help to our cap situation. For more info NHLSCAP.com is an excellent source and articulates this much better than I. I hope it makes sense and I didn't come across and pompous or nothing.

Okay, that was well-put. I see what you're saying now. I do agree that they always have to be backed up with a legitimate article, but I just think Bob McKenzie's twitter is a pretty damn good source. Despite the imperfections of twitter, I think they're overcome in this case, by the legitimacy of Bob McKenzie as a newsbreaker.

I wouldn't even bother trying to get my head around how many mistakes he's made in that post if I were you. It's a waste of time.

I'm new to twitter but I'm pretty sure you only have to read whom you choose to read. The only person I follow on twitter is McKenzie so I don't give a crap about what anyone else is writing. The reason twitter is a great medium for sourcing info from a reliable insider like Bob McKenzie, is because it's quicker and easier for him to break his news immediately so you hear things quicker than waiting for it to appear oon TSN.com or something. You really have no argument here at all, I gotta say.

But it's not from Eklund, it's from McKenzie. His twitter is as good as a TSN.com article in terms of credibility. Twitter itself is not a source of information. The people behind those accounts are the sources. No-one but Bob McKenzie can tweet in his name, therefore the authenticity of his information can't be degraded. Wikipedia is open to vandalism. Twitter is not.

Yeah Bob McKenzie is rock solid. The most reliable source in the media without a doubt.

Without having read any further into the seemingly endless depths of the CBA, it seems to me it's a very grey area. One that any smart GM would very cautiously tread. I know if I were Ken Holland I would definitely make come careful phone calls before I made any moves that could potentially get me hamstrung later in the season. For me, the fact that such a precedent is yet to be set tells me it's probably not a good idea. I don't know. But long-term injuries are frequent and surely a GM would have done this if he could get away with it. Maybe it's simply that such a scenario hasn't not yet presented itself but I'm sure it would have at some stage.

Right. I already explained that to him.

He's talking about pro-rata. Not 50% cap hit on re-entry waivers.

That would be the pro-rated figure. His yearly cap hit is $4.875m.

Canadian hockey media is better. I really can't be bothered with NHL Live.

Thanks Pucks. Kinda makes me feel better that I wasn't the only one who messed up there. Lol.

Does he not play in Sweden? Edit: I always thought he played for Modo. My mistake. Further edit: Upon further research he did play for Modo but before the season began. That's where I confused myself. So yeah, he shouldn't need to clear waivers then.

From the CBA: 13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs) only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim. See it now?

This is what I've been trying to say:

Why do you assume Hradek is an idiot and doesn't know but some random on a message board does? Anyway, I remember reading this a while back when the Sens signed Robitaille. I'll try finding it in the CBA tomorrow maybe, I've had a few drinks and I'm tired now. But yeah, if you play a game in Europe, you gotta clear. Has Forsberg played a game yet?

It's happened a few times before. Players who begin the season in Europe have to clear waivers.

I heard he sits down to pee these days.

Because Williams is far more skilled on a shootout than Bertuzzi.

He was traded to Detroit. Forsberg might've been traded to Detroit but he had a NTC and chose to go elsewhere (Nashville).

It's too late to look through, but does the rulebook not say the ref should blow the whistle as soon as he loses sight of the puck? This was always what I thought it was.

Okay, I'm no referee but there's no way that can be true. I've never in my life seen a ref wait 3 secs to blow the whistle when the puck is out of sight. Can someone please confirm this is crap? Three seconds???

Yes they are. Which is why I very carefully chose the word "facts". You can't review that.