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I remember one of the games (2?) he absolutely tore the team to shreds in public. I can still remember his line about the players not needing a shower. As a relatively new fan (since 92-93) I found it all a bit confusing. After each defeat I was like "its OK, we're better than them, we'll win the next one". And then we'd lose the next one, and before you knew it, it was 4-0 and all over. The never winning again feeling came in 96 - how could we be that good and still not win the Cup?

Yeah, I like it too. All that attitude never did Brett Hull any harm. Well, apart from that one time in Dallas... 22 years old and already a leader on and off the ice - it was interesting to note how he was one of the most vocal players in the locker room, and not just the usual cliches either. When he said "don't just rim the puck round the boards, hang onto it and make a play" you could tell he meant it.

No, I remember 95. 2009 Game 7 though? I have no memory of that. I'm guessing aliens were involved somewhere along the way.

Yes and no. Laces were all the rage in the 90s (for soccer strips too) in a classic/throwback way. So this is about 20 years too late to be on the laces bandwagon - unless they're throwing back to the 90s of course, they were 20 years ago 80s fashion is all the rage atm, so its only a matter of time before the 90s come back in (and I can be cool again! ) Its an O6 jersey, and there isn't an O6 team that looks bad. I find Boston a bit meh, but thats just me. Toronto, Montreal, NYR, even the Chicago Frakking Blackhawks, all look great.

Ha, reminds me of the supergroup Rod Stewart, Elton John and Freddie Mercury were going to form - Hair, Nose and Teeth was the planned name

I'm digging the laces round the collar, very 90s Sorry, "classic"

It would be an incredibly exciting, but unbelievably frustrating line! Helm has hands of stone and Nyquist seems to miss the net with 9 out of 10 of his wristers.

Do we really play a puck-possession style anymore? After losing Rafalski and Lidstrom, just chipping the puck into the neutral zone was more than our D could manage some nights.

Great signing. I imagine that will be it now till training camp. A player or two will almost certainly twang a groin then, and that will postpone the roster crunch for another day.

I forget who it was, but a while back someone pointed out the difference between the East and the West was that the west has more "elite" teams that you know will make the playoffs, whereas the East has a lot more "bubble" teams that you never know from one season to the next how they're going to perform. We know before the season starts that Boston and Pittsburgh are going to be good. What scares me is the number of bubble teams around us. Washington, Philly, Montreal, Ottawa, NJ, Rangers, Islanders, Columbus, Toronto. Trying to put them in any kind of order is a mugs game, because they're all so up and down from one season to the next. And of course us. We were a bubble team last year too.

Rangers, Philly and Toronto. 3 biggest markets in the NHL, bags of cash, fervent fans, hysterical media, desperate win-now-at-all-costs owners. It can't be a coincidence that those 3 teams have between them won 1 Stanley Cup in the last 38 years, can it?

The biggest one being that between the Howe/Lindsay/Sawchuk/Delvecchio era and the Yzerman/Lidstrom era, the Wings didn't have a single player who was a potential retirement candidate. Ullman and Larson are the only ones who come close, and they weren't here long enough or win enough silverware to be considered. If a Fedorov calibre player had played for us in the years between 1960 and 1990 then we would have a measuring stick, but we didn't, and we don't.

You can't argue with Kenny's record. Poile in Nashville deserves a lot of credit for consistently building a competetive team on a low budget in a non-hockey market. Bowman is massively over-rated as GM in Detroit, partly because everyone forgets he was sharing the job with Devallano, partly because everyone remembers the Shanahan trade and nothing else. The best player Bowman/Devallano drafted during their tenure was.....Max Kuznetzov.

Ferraro = Maltby with a scoring touch

Thankyou.

2 years ago we had Helm but not Andersson. Last year we had Andersson but not Helm. If Emmerton wants to avoid being waived in October he needs to be sticking pins in the back of his Darren Helm voodoo doll.

But I agree that Shanahan doesn't deserve to have his number retired - primarily because he didn't play long enough in Detroit! And if you're allowed to play a season or two elsewhere, then you're not a lifetime wing. Which was my original point......

Says the poster who constantly bewails the money we're paying to depth veterans.

Says the Red Wings where? If Yzerman convinced Lidstrom to come out of retirement and play 1 season for TB, would #5 suddenly never get retired? I don't think so.

No, I agree, but they both came exactly what they were projected to be. Flip became the 2-way, second line C putting up 40-60 points he was always projected to be. Because he was mainly at the lower end of the 40-60 range Wings fans started to turn on him because he didn't turn into Nicklas Zettersyuk. And then he hit UFA and priced himself out of a job

Sounds like 90% of hfboards. And more than a few on here. Hudler and Filpulla and Smith and co were thought of in the same vein when they were in the minors.

Says who? Where is the stone tablet upon which this law is inscribed?

Hahaha, so true!

Neither was Howe, neither was Lindsay, neither was Sawchuck..... I agree that Shanny doesn't deserve to go up, but the not-a-lifetime-wing thing is bogus.

Its a truism in the west that we don't like to speak ill of the dead. If Gary Bettman died tomorrow, the media would be full of stories of what a great guy he was, how he loved his family, all the charity work he did that no-one knew about..... With Shawn Burr, its very obvious - VERY obvious - that he was a genuinely great guy. Various forums, news sites, Facebook, are all full of little personal anecdotes like the one Echolalia tells above. The mother whose murdered son was a friend of his daughter, the beer league team he bought a full set of kit for, his interaction with fans away from the rink. Shawn Burr was a genuinely larger than life character, a giant-assed goofball with a heart of gold.