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Might be. But it might work too. Guess we'll never know. I'd hate to see Bertuzzi play with Dats, thats for sure.

I'd like to see: Helm - Datsyuk - Cleary - Bertuzzi is not better than Helm and Helm is a lot more physical and faster Franzen - Zetterberg - Holmstrom - The Swedish Line Abdelkader - Filppula - Eaves - Average 3rd line Maltby - Draper - May - experience, and May in just for kicks Miller Leino - he sucks Bertuzzi - sucks too Lidstrom - Ericsson Kronwall - Stuart Rafalski - Meech Lebda - even worse than Leino Osgood Howard

This is gonna be bad. Whole team sucks at the moment.

Lindros was much more physical and tougher, though Mario is a LOT better overall.

Hmmm...I dunno maybe getting rid of useless players like Leino or Lebda is a good idea?

Well that sucks..no Hemsky at the Olympics :/

IMHO: Leino, Bertuzzi, Lebda and Meech suck big time and need to be traded/sent down. Babcock must pull his head out of his ass and reunite Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Firing McCrimmon would help too.

Duncan Keith. Easily.

Yeah, pretty much. Mule is great, but Hossa is elite player.

Neely in the hall is a ******* joke! Lindros was a lot better player and should get to the hall eventually.

Messier is better than Yzerman (slightly) MacInnis is better than Leetch (easily) Stevens is better than Hull Francis is better than Robitaille 07 easily.

Finland is always doing fine in meaningless tournaments but they just can't win anything important.

Well, I agree with Avery, that coach is really fat bleeping pig.

Why all you f***ers bash Hudler? He did nothing wrong and KHL is not a bush league. Wings could use him now that Datsyuk and Zetterberg cannot seem to score at all.

Yes, but on the other hand Fedorov got less ice-time. Great players in their primes like Yzerman and Fedorov put up big numbers even if they play with nobodies so the difference isnt as big as you might think. I still like Fedorov's season better. Yzerman's season is good too though.

134 points actually, but that doesn't really matter. The difference is still just adjusted number for average player, for star players who played more minutes, like Yzerman, the gap is even smaller. Fedorov did it in lower scoring era (with better goalie equipment etc) while playing Selke caliber defense.

WTF is Gods green Earth lol Anyways, thats exactly why I understand that you overrate Yzerman as a player, thanks for proving my point.

Well, I just think Yzerman's season was good, but not all-time great and I wouldn't put it on the best seasons by a Red Wing list. I also think that many posters here overrate that season and Yzerman as a player, I can understand why but I do not agree. See here: http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Stat/LeagueGoals.aspx 7.48 goals per game in 89, 6.48 in 94, thats a goal per game difference. So that basically closes the gap between Fedorov and Yzerman offensively and when you consider the fact that Fedorov won Selke it is a no brainer.

Yeah, sure. You do realize basically everything is just a stat? Wrong. Goals per game is what matters. Look it up and do the math again (you are gonna be surprised, but drop is significantly more than 9%).

Well, just like I posted earlier, majority of posters here seem to know nothing about Gordie Howe or Terry Sawchuk so it isn't surprising that the most favourite Red Wing player in recent history is getting a lot of support. But from purely objective standpoint his season is not even close to Howe's several best seasons or Sawchuk's best seasons thus making Yzerman's season overrated. Steve may have played with nobodies but on the other hand he got a lot of ice time, that definitely helped his numbers. And btw he started to play great defense AFTER that season.

Well, thanks for your input champ. You have yet to provide any stats to support that season as one of the best ever. You are just trying to derail this thread and look like funny guy. Guess what? You suck at it.

Gretzky was better PKer than Yzerman in the 80's and his line did not need to defend at all, you can't really compare Yzerman and Gretzky, even if Yzerman was Bobby Clarke-like defensively, Gretzky and Lemieux are light years ahead. As I said, it was good season, but not up there with Howe's or Sawchuk's. Just because he is Steve Yzerman, The Captain and fan favourite doesn't mean he is the best or his best season is one of the best Red Wings season in all-time context. I'd take Fedorov's 94 season over Yzerman's too. It is overrated precisely because of "155 points WOW" effect.

Thats like saying all Americans are fat and stupid.

Selke votes? Please. SELKE: Guy Carbonneau, Mtl C 222 (36-11-9); Esa Tikkanen, Edm LW 73 (8-8-9); Colin Patterson, Cgy W 73 (6-11-10); Rick Meagher, StL C 29 (1-6-6); Bengt Gustaffson, Wsh RW 28 (3-3-4); Doug Gilmour, Cgy 21 (1-5-1); Dirk Graham, Chi 20 (0-6-2); Thomas Steen, Wpg 16 (1-3-2); Jan Erixon, NYR 13 (2-0-3); Jari Kurri, Edm 12 (1-2-1); Stewart Gavin, Min 8 (1-1-0); Steve Yzerman, Det 8 (1-1-0); Joel Otto, Cgy 8 (1-1-0); Ron Sutter, Phi 7 (0-2-1); Steve Kasper, Bos/LA 6 (1-0-1); Patrick Sundstrom, NJ 5 (0-1-2); Steve Larmer, Chi 3 (0-1-0); Mats Naslund, Mtl 3 (0-1-0); Stan Smyl, Van 3 (0-0-3); Mike Ridley, Wsh 2 (0-0-2); Randy Cunneyworth, Pit 1 (0-0-1); Gerard Gallant, Det 1 (0-0-1); Bob Gould, Wsh 1 (0-0-1); Mike McPhee, Mtl 1 (0-0-1); Brian Skrudland, Mtl 1 (0-0-1); Bobby Smith, Mtl 1 (0-0-1); John Tonelli, LA 1 (0-0-1) wow a whopping 8 points overall 155 points in 88-89 is good but not one of the greatest seasons by a Red Wing. You should do some research before posting.

Yeah, because 52 years old Howe counts.