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Gonchar is better defensively (yes really) and he is far better PPQB.

Gonchar is better than Rafalski. He would be our no.2 easily.

That sucks. Not because Wings are going to miss them in this game, but because it probably means their injuries are not minor.

Datsuk Zetterberg Franzen //good luck stopping this line Cleary Datsyuk Samuelsson Holmstrom Filppula Hossa Hudler Helm Draper/Maltby/Leino/Abdelkader Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall Stuart Ericsson Lebda/Chelios

lmao

Filppula - Hossa are great together, I do not understand why Babcock split them again after that great game 4 against Anaheim.

He was still by far the best defenseman Wings had in games 1 and 2. He was not so good in game 3 though.

Good game so far. I wonder where are guys like micah that claim Wings need to get tougher

HavlAt and why did not you post it in the GDT thread?

Who says that. Lidstrom out is pretty good reason to say f***.

I just hope Wings show some effort from start to finish. Please no more pathetic starts. LGW!

Why? Most hockey historians think that Hasek/Roy/Plante are the best goalies of all-time. Brodeur is not really close to them. And Lidstrom is not better than Orr, that's for sure.

Good to know.

WTF is this? HFBoards have nothing to do with LGW. Besides, case can be made for all of those 3 as the best European player ever.

I do not like many of their players. Campbell, Kane, that fat black guy, Burrish and Eager.

Hossa - 45 million for 15 years, cap hit 3 million a year. Frontloaded. Hossa retires after 6-7 years.

hockeystreams.com You have to pay for that though.

Option 2 any day. Conklin was solid during regular season. Ericsson and Rafalski? OMFG what a disaster. Meech in is very bad too. Conklin might, or might not be worse than Osgood. Meech is definitely worse than Lidstrom. As for "slightly" worse defence. Are you ******* kidding? This just proves how Lidstrom's game goes unnoticed.

Doubtufl. Without those two Ducks win game 1 and game 4 at the very least.

I never said that. Besides, shots against "worse" there is a one or so shot on goal difference. Wings have scored more goals than any other team. I am happy Osgood stepped it up and plays very good hockey, but he is not MVP in my opinion. Lidstrom is. What's your problem with that?

I thought he put some of his money into that franchise and now gets it back? Could be wrong though.

I do not follow you either. I just think that GAA went down for number of reasons, not just Ozzie's play. (playoff hockey, tighter defense) I do not think that Osgood is team MVP just because he stepped it up, it's not like he could be any worse than he was during regular season. I do think Lidstrom is team MVP because he does it all. Simple as that.

GAA is a team stat, you can have Hasek/Roy/Plante in goal but with s***ty team their GAA will be much worse than Giguere would have behind great defense. Their SV% would also be different and Giguere could have the best stats despite the fact that he is much worse that those 3 guys. This is nothing against Osgood, because he is a huge part of that, but Wings' GAA went down because defense stepped it up (take Stuart for example). Another team stat is WINS. Brodeur was never better than Hasek yet he has more wins. Etc. Personally, I think people (on LGW) give Osgood so much credit because he never gets enough from media/other fans. But a team MVP? No way imho. Lidstrom's game, on the other hand, is taken for granted and not appreciated enough.

I give goalies credit, I just do not think Osgood has been special or something. He has been good. I respect Osgood, I just do not think he is Wings' MVP. GAA is a team stat, that is a fact. SV% is subjective stat. Put Ozzie on s***tsburg, which is in Eastern Conf. and his stats would be worse despite the fact that he could shine more and play better than he has for the Wings. I just think that our (by far) the best defenseman who plays in all situations is more valuable than our goalie. Almost PPG, most PK time, against the best. And it's the fact that some people take his game for granted that he does not get the credit he deserves. Just read any interview with management or the players, they all agree that Lidstrom is the most valuable/important player.