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I think if Holland does anything it's gonna be shedding some salary. Getting rid of someone that he feels the team can go on and be sucessfull without, in return for some draft picks. I think the team we see now, is pretty much the team we see in the playoff run. Does anyone know of a list of the Wings roster who have 'no trade clauses'? I know Stuart and Hossa have them.

The problem with this team is that all of it's hopes are on Price. A young guy with the weight of the world on his shoulders, with the over bearing fans and media. The other issue is their leaders are M.I.A. Kovalev and Koivu are not leading or producing. And one of the biggest things that I actually find a little amusing, is this team has fallen on it's face since Robert Lang went down. He was their work horse, goal scorer, and energy guy. Who would have thunk it?

I couldn't help but laugh at the thought of all those Pittsburgh fans Sunday, who had stupidly bought a Hossa jersey last year!

Edmonton looks good only five minutes into the game. Oilers should have had a penalty shot for Gagner. So they get the power play instead and he scores anyway. Montreal is definetly having isues tonight and as of late. Calgary blew them out the other night as well. Montreal has lost three in a row, and is 2-8-0 in their last 10, and 21 points behind Boston in their division. But I would bet that the crowd at Rexall is probably 60/40 Edmonton. Habs fans are rowdy as usual.

Brodziak just scores a short handed goal for the Oilers! 5-1 midway throught the second

From that Wiki page: O'Halloran is a complete blowhard that has his panties all in a knot, just because he got his ass capped in the D. How that has anything to do with the Red Wings, nobody knows. Dan shares a desk with Gary Buttman, under which Sidney Crosby kneels and gives them instructions while gobbling sausage. :rotflmao:

Dandenault just scored for the Habs with 15 seconds left in the first. Habs look terrible, Carboneau has no color in his face at all. lol.

yes. Oilers now on the powerplay, and they score. 4-0

Montreal just failed on the powerplay (24th in the league) Price is struggling big time lately, he's given up 3 goals in 15 minutes of the first period.

scratch that 3-0 Oil. Cogliano

Stortini of the Oilers just jammed it home 2-0 Oil!

I am glad you said that. I will switch back and forth between the two games.

All I was saying basketball would probably have a higher chance of survival in Las Vegas then hockey, when I posted it. I forgot that the likelyhood of a team surviving there after the ref scandal would be less likely. And no I wouldn't go to Vegas to watch basketball. Your right, we could debate this for eons. And I even wanted to retract a statement I made earlier about basketball. I think with the ref scandal in the NBA really hurt their chances of ever landing a basketball team there. Cheers to you as well w1ng3dLV

Okay first of all, someone running a business never overlooks the fundamentals. Your there to make a profit first. Am I right? Surrounding themselves with good people to run your business is key. Just because I didn't state it in my previous post doesn't mean I don't believe in the obvious! I was making more of a broad statement that this type of owners group may fall into the same trap these other owners have fallen into, purely on the fact that they are in a non traditional hockey market with very weak tv revenue. The Illitch's are an exceptional ownership and to compare them with a casino owners group isn't really fair. I don't know how much hockey sense the Illitchs had when purchasing the team. But the team had history and a bright future with a superstar of the league. Nobody really knows who would run a team in Vegas. And I know for a fact that the population 'this million +' you speak of are going to fill an arena. Okay! I would like to see that. In an extremely blue collar city, where everyone is living check to check I have no bone to pick with Las Vegas. I love it there, most of the time. And it's not that I wouldn't want a hockey team there, cause I actually do. I love hockey, and if there is one more venue within reasonable driving distance; I am there! But does the NHL need another team that they have to prop up and then live under the constant scrutiny of all the gaming that in gulfs that city? That is probably the main reason Vegas has never been succesfull at landing a franchise in any sport. This is definetly not the first time Vegas has come up at a possible destination. And in response to you asking why the nhl awards and the golf tournaments and this and that event has been moved and is now in Vegas is simple. It's warm. Golf sucks when it's cold. It's a vacation destination, just like Hawaii, hence the Pro-Bowl for the NFL.

I don't really think I am off of my mark. I used to live in Vegas and run a highly succesfull business in North Las Vegas. I know the ins and outs of Las Vegas and Clark County. And with the state of the U.S. economy it affects the world economy, especially the east Asia countries. They would come in droves to Vegas in the chartered busses. I know this, and I know that Vegas is severely effected as we speak. But somehow now that a casino group TPG is going to be the backbone of dumping many, many millions of dollars to prop up an NHL franchise in a non traditional hockey market, and hope and praying that their lackluster television revenue supports this. I am not dumping on Vegas, because it is a great city. But this will turn out to be another disaster just like Phoenix and Nashville. As a former business owner I would definetly be doing my homework before investing, I am sorry throwing away a hundred million dollars or two. I would be surprised to see this thing come full circle in Vegas. And to be a sucessfull franchise that can endure the ups and downs will need good ownership, hockey people that know the game. Not a bunch of casino stiffs that do nothing but count their chips. What happens when they start losing or never win? Plus you can't pin your success on the revenue that the opponent might bring. Its not like they would play the Wings, Rangers, Habs, and Leafs every game. having a team in Vegas is definetly a sexy idea, and could work. And of course one game at a casino like the MGM Grand would totally sell out. But tell me who is going to be in the seats on a Wednesday night when this team is playing Nashville? exactly. Nobody. People dont come to Vegas to watch hockey or go to a game, cause most likely they already have a local team at home. I would say basketball has a better chance at relocating a franchise there then hockey does.

There's probably 8-10 thousand Habs fans there in Calgary. Which is really saying something. That place is always rockin with their boisterous 'C' of red. But you can definetly here the habs fans everytime they lay a good hit. Lots of hits on both sides. Price sitting tonight. Halek is in goal for the Habs. And now the Habs just scored! 1-0 (Kostitsyn) Habs fans are now singing "o'lay o'lay" or whatever that is they sing! Good game so far

I dont know if it's fair to use this game as a benchmark for west vs east, but it's widely understood in the last few seasons the west is so much more dominant. The Habs came into this year with really high expectations, cause they have had decent teams the last couple years. Probably a lot of pressure put on them by the Montreal media to win it all this year for their hundreth season.

every game the Wings played against the Hawks last season it seemed! lol.

crazy how the Flames just kind of got the crowd back and took the game over. they could possibly be a playoff opponent for the Wings. I hope someone is there rolling some tape!

5:30 left in the 2nd 15 shots on goal for Calgary, 2 for Montreal

yeah same here. real fast paced game.

scratch that 3-2 now. Phaneuf got one.

Doggy did you see that Lombardi goal on the breakaway shorthanded? 2-2 now

Calgary has just wasted a 2 man advantage, and of Montreals PK guys Koivu didnt have a stick. Both these teams are desperate for a win, you can really tell.

I cant say that they stay at the same places everytime, but those three I mentioned were in last few visits out here.