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Crosby does play on the PK. He is now in the Penguins top 4, actually.

Jim Carey Joe Pavelski vs. Nigel Dawes

He is a pain in the a$$ (my friend's father I actually have met him he's been at my hockey games many times). But he gets the most out of his players. Most people here are very excited to have him.

I think that list is total BS personally.

Well....... if we are going to include plays from both teams.... I might as well take a turn. #1- Samuelson first goal of the series in Game 1. #2- Fleury's save on Samuelson in Game 5. #3- Zetterberg being the man in that 5 on 3 in Game 4. #4- Fleury's save on Holmstrom in OT Game 5. #5- Kronwall on Malone in Game 1.

Hello Wings fans. I am, as you can likely tell from the title of this thread, a huge Penguins fan. Have been my whole life. First, congrats on your Cup. It was well deserved. But I just want to come here to give you all a general explanation of why Marian has fallen from grace here so rapidly. For a second, pretend you are a Pens fan (and I know, this must be hard for you). Now, imagine losing the Stanley Cup Final, one of the greatest pains a fan can suffer. Then, imagine losing a number of your players, Adam Hall, Ryan Malone, Gary Roberts, Jarkko Ruutu, and Ty Conklin all go elsewhere, with Conks heading to the same team that just crushed your dreams a few weeks earlier. Imagine being misled to think, by Pens management and by Marian himself in an interview, that Hossa was very willing to stay in Pittsburgh, that he wanted to be here. Imagine Hossa then leaving (and he owed us nothing I know), but not leaving to just any team, but leaving to a team that has already taken so much from us in such a short time. Lastly, sit there and listen as Hossa states blatantly that the Wings are better than the Pens (though I don't disagree). We had, at the time, a lot of bottled up anger that was still building, and we still do. We took out on him, as we all feel that he misled us, and not so pleased with his words as he left. He is an obvious scapegoat target. Fortunately, since Hossa's left, we've recovered and signed other players who can try to offset his loss. So we feel a bit better now. But I just wanted to explain why we all dislike the guy so much. We are not crybabies, whiners, losers like some of you have said. We just need(ed) an outlet, and he's it. Thank you for reading this.

Therrien took a team that was the worst in the conference, and came with a discipline unseen in the Igloo since Scotty Bowman. He knows what he wants, and he wins games.

That's awful for the Preds. Could be the last straw on the way to Hamilton?

Well, us LGPers have mixed thoughts on MT. I don't think that he has a huge deal with any of these guys, because Orpik, who supposedly didn't like MT, decided to sign with the Pens anyway. In short, he's not a players coach. He's a whiner, too. But he is a DAMN GOOD COACH.

There are lots of teams, that with a few breaks, a hot goalie, an injury, can beat you. I learned this in 1993. The Pens, loaded with All Stars and HOFers, got taken to game 7 by the Isles. And then, a bad bounce later, the puck is in the net, and the season is over in overtime. All it takes is a hot goalie, a bounce, a bad call, an injury. Lots can change. And don't forget guys like Gaborik who will be available at the deadline for teams to make a push.

But would you not feel betrayed and upset by it? I think you would. We really did become attached to 18 while he was here. I loved the guy so much (and I don't hate him like some other Pens fans do), that my girlfriend and I, everytime I texted her, started it with HOSSSSSSAAAAAA. And we had facebook groups and all that good stuff. I realize Lids is an IDOL in Det. and why not. But it's a similar concept.

We are very sad about Conks too, but he's a backup goalie. You get over it faster. I am very much over Hossa's departure, though I don't like him as much now as I used to. The Pens have moved on with Cooke, Satan, and Fedotenko, and look to contend again next year. When you get the cold shoulder from someone that you tried very hard to keep, it's just not fun, and human nature is to feel a sense of betrayal. I'm sure, that if the Wings had a few bad years, the team wasn't doing as well, and Nicky Lidstrom then left you to go the Penguins, who had just beaten you in the SCF no less, and on the way out gave your team a slap to the face by letting it be known that he rejected them when it came down to the final two teams? That's all I'm saying here. They are bitter about the way he left, by expressing a desire to stay here and leaving, and by saying that the Wings gave him a better Cup shot, and I think that factors into it. If the Pens had won the Cup and Hossa had scored with 1 second left in Game 6, and Marian had said thank you for my time this is a great franchise now it's time to move on, we'd have all been fine. But instead, he ends his tenure here with a shot off the post, a misleading statement, and a verbal slap. And on the issue of Jagr, he is not hated here. He gets booed, yes, but Federov gets booed in JLA too, right? We really, as a majority, do like JJ very much but with him being a Ranger all those years, and the whole "Dying Alive" thing his last year here, things went south. His jersey here may even be raised to the rafters. If you haven't picked up on it, the way you go is very important among many fans here.

Respectfully, please don't take shots at Mario Lemieux. He's my hockey hero, and he's been through quite a bit to get to where he is today. You wouldn't like it if I took shots at Abel and Howe.

Thank you all for understanding where I am coming from. I do agree, for the record, that our coach, Mike Therrien, is a whiner. He's a good coach though. But I just felt it would be good to put out my opinion. Again, congrats on your Cup. Maybe I'll post again sometime. Next year should be fun. I'm personally hoping for a Pens Wings rematch.