Doc Holiday

Where are you getting that information from?

Fedorov, you also need to look at the other side of that coin. The majority of the fans who are playing doom and gloom are so complacent with the success the Wings have had that now that the Wings look more normal than usual (and for two games in a row), the Wings are now in big trouble. Detroit has been in worse situations than this (take a look at the February slump in 2008) and has done better off with less talent. Give Detroit some time to play in North America and get their act together before assuming the team will struggle. This is the Detroit Red Wings. They are considered one of the best for a reason.

Now you are reaching.

Wait, now I'm confused. You are telling me that the season ISN'T over yet?

No one would take Franzen. He's too soft. I would even take Claude the Fraud before I take him.

Yes, goaltending is why the Wings lost in the playoffs. HURRRR

You see, in hockey, body checks can really effect your oponent. Guys like Scott Stevens and Vladimir Konstantinov made a habit of it. The funny thing is you honestly don't get that, despite your veil of sarcasm. No one is saying Cleary is a better hitter or f***s s*** up as good as Stevens. Your attempt to dance around the issue with your fingers in your ears going "lalala" is duly noted, however.

Care to continue? Have you played hockey? Do you understand what it is like to be hit? Do you know anything about physical play minus elbows and fighting?

Well for starters Cleary stood up to a guy much bigger than himself, had his eye gouged and still got a few punches in, Helm has made some good hits, and Abdelkader has been pretty gritty from my perspective. And hitting doesn't f*** s*** up? You truly are blinded by your man-love for the enforcer.

Based on what? Osgood's performance in the post-season the last two years? His winning percentage his entire career? What?

Helm has done it in the regular season when he has played, Abdelkader does, and Cleary has. Remember him going after Pronger? My point is the Wings have players who can f*** s*** up and create energy.

Jedi, you cannot be serious as to think that a "discussion" with the assertion that the Wings won't make the playoffs after two games will go on without being completely laughed at. This is just ridiculous. It's game 2. Game 2. Should we start tanking for the top pick now because of TWO GAMES IN SWEDEN!?!?

Cause Helm never did that. Abdelkader never did that. Cleary never did that.

Does anyone think it is too early to start tanking?

I picked zero, simply because this in my opinion is a stupid and pointless poll. What is the point in this?

I didn't talk about you being a new troll. You are trying to piss people off with those comments. Go away. Shoo.

My aren't you a lovely troll.

What happened in the playoffs? Seriously, I missed it. Can you tell me if Osgood kept up his poor play in the post-season?

Only took one game for Conn Smythe front-runner Osgood to get back into the doghouse. You people have short memories indeed.

They won't overachieve. You act like they are going to go straight up simply because they were without a few key pieces. They aren't the only team to improve. One year does not define how they are going to end up the next.

Hey guys I hate the Penguins. Lets talk about how much we all hate him on this thread and act like we are better than them! Grow a pair, you guys. It's the Pittsburgh Penguins. They are not Detroit's rivals. They are a hockey team in the Eastern Conference. Nothing more. Nothing less. Just get over them already.

Don't forget they overachieved last season and still were swept in the first round. They got a long way to go.

My Five up and down for what I saw of the game. Up: 1. Draper and Maltby, the team's "useless" players lifted their own weight and them some. I liked seeing that. 2. Bert looks much more comfortable than he did in his first stint. He is quicker and is making things happen out there. 3. Penalty kill looks a lot better. 4. Ericsson is doing very well. 5. Ville Leino. End of story. Down: 1. Star power: There was none 2. Powerplay was a disaster 3. Osgood did not play up to par. He could have had a better game even though he was hung out to dry on a couple of those goals. 4. Williams did not impress me in the least. 5. Rafalski is still a turnstile, and Lidstrom looked much worse than normal.

Shut up please.

I was talking about last year's home opener and how they ended up doing in the regular season.