Doc Holiday

When Johan Franzen can rip out your mouth guard without any punishment, no amount of old-man beating will make up for that.

"Guys! We need a goon!" "No we don't! Goons can't score!" "Yeah, because we never had a goon on cup winning teams! That's why we won those cups!" "Goons are a waste of space!" "The Wings are soft!" "YOU are soft!" "I bet you've never played hockey before!" "Ken Holland is always right!" "Your mom is always right!" And that's basically what I got from this thread.

That'll teach him to stiff someone out of twenty cents!

We don't have grier. He may or may not have been better for this team than Williams. No need to start a big giant fight about it.

How is signing Toews even possible? He is Chicago's Steve Yzerman for f***s sake.

It is ironic that some people would call Brodeur overrated because of the team he plays for. What kind of teams do you people think the Wings have had the past 15 years? Also I don't think Tretiak can be fairly rated, over or under. He never played in the NHL and played behind arguably the best team to step on the ice in the history of hockey.

They don't make them anymore, and they aren't as protective. Osgood required stitches back in 98 after getting hit with a slapshot in the helmet.

Wow Crosby doesn't look retarded at all with the helmet on. I mean, safety first i understand, but they can loosen the screws a little bit. Man.

Second round exits can be all yours for 8 million a year!

We get it, you want a "gritty" player. Sammy, please. He was a prick, but he was a prick that knew when to score. Even though I hated him.

Maltby HAS fought back before. But what do you expect? He is an agitator. A damn good one at that.

Cool! I hate that guy and we all need to chip in to keep this team fresh! HURRY AND SIGN FLOYD MAYWEATHER TO GIVE THIS TEAM SOME EXCITEMENT!

I hate Hudler! How dare he think about his finances when the Wings are concerned! He should be paying THEM to play here!

Hooray Micah is here. Prepare to see the page count double!

Yzerman, and that is no question. It is incredibly unfair to put Lidstrom against a captain like Yzerman, who TAUGHT him everything there is to be a leader. This entire question makes Lidstrom seem so unworthy it's not even funny.

And the sarcastic comment I was looking for.

I was talking about signing Hossa for 7.4 mil last year. But please get more defensive. Can't be LGW without people flipping their lid.

I can't believe you put Chelios in the picture for the 08 cup run. He was absolutely useless that year.

Price you pay for loyalty. Of course, so was Hossa.

Don't make up percentages, because I don't think that is close to correct.

Gordie: We get Malts' salary whether we get rid of him or keep him. Hard to compare when no matter what we are getting that 800k. And hard to compare when everyone knows that Maltby is useless.

Who should we get for a first round draft selection?

For starters, Steve Yzerman was 41 when he retired. Shanahan is currently 40. Fedorov is turning 40 this year and ended his career in the NHL. Lidstrom is going to be 40 this coming April. Hasek had originally retired at 38 (this first time). Bob Probert was under 40 when he retired. The Great One retired before 40. Larry Murphy retired at 40. Dallas Drake retired at 39. Claude Lemeix retired at 38. (came back in his 40s) Larionov is the first one to come to mind who retired at 43. Chelios is still playing at 45 and is currently the second oldest NHLer to play. Not substantial proof, but the majority of players that I found either retired before 40 or stopped at 40. Unfortunately that doesn't give the Holland contracts a great rap, but the odds are still much better for Holland's contract than for Tallon's.

What is with the Leino being a crybaby bologna? The guy had the potential to play better minutes in other places and he chose Detroit. He deserves a spot on the team, and Abdelkader scoring two goals in the finals (one being very flukey) doesn't make him suddenly a great option for bringing up to the NHL. And there is nothing wrong with keeping some players in GR to give them playing time and get them better. Detroit has the capacity to do that because they have plenty of talent already.