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In. Maybe in the full name of www.letsgowings.com?

DB - These are Aussie_Wing's picks for this week too: Friday Jan 14th: Vancouver at Washington Detroit at Columbus Calgary at Ottawa New Jersey at Tampa Bay Philadelphia at Atlanta Colorado at Minnesota Saturday Jan 15th: Pittsburgh at Boston New Jersey at Florida Calgary at Toronto Buffalo at NY Islanders NY Rangers at Montreal Tampa Bay at Carolina Columbus at Detroit (x2) Atlanta at Dallas Anaheim at Phoenix Chicago at Nashville Edmonton at Los Angeles St Louis at San Jose Sunday Jan 16th: Ottawa at Washington Vancouver at Minnesota Nashville at Chicago Philadelphia at NY Rangers Edmonton at Anaheim ------

This is from a guy whose most memorable moment as a player or as a coach was to jump in the stands and beat a guy with his own shoe. Without a doubt Milbury is a caveman and a ******, but I don't think he is dumb. He knows being a caveman and a ****** gets people going and are his most marketable traits. If he stops being a caveman, JR is waiting in the wings to pick up the ****** mantle. If he stops being both, there are a million has-beens ready for his job.

I started playing with the numbers too and they don't make sense. If you just straight ranked the categories and andded them up, Orpik would still come out on top, but most others would change.

There's probably a mathematical way to account for differences in goalies. The fact that Tim Thomas has a Save % of .946 vs Jimmy's .907 should be accounted for if you want to create an objective numerical comparison of D-Men. All those extra goals shouldn't be hung on Lids. Maybe I will scratch something up later. Served and eaten. Where did you get your pairings #s?

Yes and no - this year Lids has been paired up with a bunch of different guys, all of whom needed a little pick up in their defensive game. First it was Ericsson (nuff said), then Stewie who was making gaffes left and right, and now Kron who likes to pinch and step up in the neutral zone too. I think he hung him out to dry twice last game. Even Raffy has been mediocre defensively this year. They all take advantage of Lids stability to either roam, pinch, join the rush, or just be stupid (as in Ericsson's case). Of course this is all subjective and takes away from the ability to make a numerical case for him, but that is kind of my point. Lids is still not only the centerpiece of the Wings D, he is also still the workhorse and the ballast for what is otherwise a sometimes unsteady group. Off the top of my head (granted there's not a lot up there), I can't think of any other top tier D man who pairs up with so many partners.

Does it really mean a defenseman is good when the puck is at the other end of the ice all the time? A low even strength goals against doesn't wholly come from excellent play on defense by any stretch. Brooks Orpik doesn't have to play as much D when he is backing Crosby's line vs when he is behind Letestu or Talbot. It comes back to +/- being a very iffy metric.

"not perfect criteria" says it all. They came up with a new way to crunch the numbers an dget people talking. Defense is so subjective you could come up with a million different criteria and get different answers for all of them. Goals against is just the low hanging fruit. Stuff like strength of partner and quality of matchup is nearly impossible to calculate but has a big part in a D man's play. That's just for starters.

The Toronto press seems to be real Schadenfreuders when it comes to the Leafs. Ontario needs another team just so everyone can focus their negative energy on the other team.

Well players make their money under the cap, so giving money to each other doesn't increase their aggregate compensation. If a coach pays them, the total player compensation goes up. This is just anal, but the logic is consistent.

If dont think its a big deal if he is paying them out of his own pocket. He is really acting out of self interest rather than that of the organization. If the team was trying to funnel money to the players through the coach by inflating his contract, that would be a different story.

Friday, January 14 Vancouver at Washington Detroit at Columbus x2 Calgary at Ottawa New Jersey at Tampa Bay Philadelphia at Atlanta Colorado at Minnesota Saturday, January 15 Pittsburgh at Boston Columbus at Detroit Tampa Bay at Carolina NY Rangers at Montreal Buffalo at NY Islanders Calgary at Toronto New Jersey at Florida Atlanta at Dallas Anaheim at Phoenix Chicago at Nashville Edmonton at Los Angeles St. Louis at San Jose Sunday, January 16 Ottawa at Washington Vancouver at Minnesota Nashville at Chicago Philadelphia at NY Rangers Edmonton at Anaheim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qP_OqOJ8ug

I like the idea of going scaled back, but think they could have gone even a little further. I don't need the crap under the arms and on the sides. I always have liked the old ones best. Will they all have numbers on the chest?

fair enough. moving right along...

read="overpaid"? The point that no one has brought up is that Bertuzzi still has stink on him for his sins of the past. For that reason he came to us at a discount.

FWIW I wasn't asking you to split topics as much as I was trying to be snide and make a jab contrary to not only yours, but the few other posts around it which echoed the sentiment. You're entitled to dump any posts you want, but I didn't see it or mean it as a request to do so. Maybe I accidentally shouted "fire" in the theater. To a certain degree it was bitching about Val because it was hardly an objective or thorough comparison of players and only showed where Bert excelled and Val lacked. I also understood clearly you were arguing against Val to make a stronger case for Bert. In my eyes they can both independently suck (they don't), and Bert's penalty last night sucked (as it does almost every night) but didn't cost us the game.

password required BTW Sorry things got heated between us. We're all just red blooded fans. I wasn't trying to tell NFM25 what to do, in fact it didn't even occur to me to that he was a mod. I was just pointing out that Flip isn't necessarily germane to the Bert sucking argument not that anyone should move it.

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So now you're a mod. Get over yourself. Quit being butthurt about being wrong and move on. And with that, the discussion over this matter is done.

Landeskog was interviewed on the NHL network last night. That kid already has the physique of a pro, and the demeanor to match.

NFM25 is a big boy and can fight his own battles without your patronizing help - maybe you ought to show him some respect and let him do his job without the peanut gallery chiming in. I'll be glad to discuss anything with him or any other mod, and I reserve the right to minimize any poster's argument by pointing out that it is irrelevant in the context of the thread, and that arguments to his effect have been unsuccessfully tried elsewhere. If it is so little and silly, why are you all pissy about it? This is a place where traps are meant to be open, so I think I will do that thanks.

Done. You were sheeping along with it so I don't think it mattered, but I will do it to show that not everyone shares your fear of disagreeing with Mods.