Holmstrom96

THANK GOODNESS. It was time for Mac to retire a year or two ago. Thanks for the memories Mac!

I was never any good. I laced up a few months ago in Hazel Park, it was at midnight and only me and two other people showed up so I just did a little bit of practice skating and shooting on an open net and realized a few things: 1) I suck worse now than before 2) I still have a sissy shot 3) I am horribly out of shape

I'd be more excited if we played them...

That's terrible. Best wishes to the family.

Agreed. And if you borderline body check someone he's not afraid to break your neck either!

If we needed a goon we would have picked up free agent like Bertuzzi or something; which we would never do that again.

It might be better that way. In the playoffs and at the end of the season Holmstrom seemed to be less and less effective, especially against better teams. Although it doesn't help that the refs seem to think that crosschecking and interference is OK when it's done to Holmstrom. I just can't believe some of the stuff people get away with on him.

I'm just glad you didn't reference The Great One, you know, Crosby.

I agree. I liked Hudler, but I was never overly impressed with him.

I was freaking out when it happened. I'm a hardcore wings fan, but my first reaction was, "s***, is he OK?" and then when I saw the idiots pilling on top of Havlat I started yelling at the TV screen "WHAT THE %$#%# ARE YOU DOING IDIOTS? THAT GUY GOT KNOCKED THE F*** OUT!" I couldn't even admire the hit until the feeling in my stomach went away.

Those are slick.

I agree. I think the NHL needs to crackdown on people who pile on injured players, and the funny thing is most of the time it is the injured players OWN TEAM that does it. Example: The Blackhawks were more worried about getting revenge on Kronwall for a CLEAN HIT than they were worried about protecting an injured and unconscious Havlat.

No, the math is kinda good. He's pointint what we lost in the 2009 offseason and compairing it to what we gained in the 2009 offseason.

I totally agree, the Wings needs players like him to open the ice up and distract the goaltenders so our stars can light up the net. It doesn't always translate into points for Homer, but he contributes even if it doesn't always go down on paper. Holmstrom's my favorite guy because of all the abuse he takes, he always makes me laugh. Before that Dino Ciccarelli was one of my favorites because he was a hellraiser too.

I never had any incidents like that. I've been out on the ice for some multi-fight incidents, but at 5'5" 115 lbs (I'm 135 now, I've put on my winter fat) I knew that if I disrespected or started s*** with ANYONE that I would immediately have my ass handed to myself in a way that would be so epic that it would become a viral video on youtube. But I do agree, I've been out there before with emotion and clouded judgement and I've almost done stuff I would have regretted. I don't agree with the Bertuzzi signing, but I highly doubt that he would ever done anything that stupid ever again, he did seem to be truly remorseful of the injury he caused.

Because discussion of "the incident" was spilling over into other threads about signing Bertuzzi and it was making it so people couldn't intelligently discuss his possible addition to the team.

Well now I agree with you. It was a sucker punch. Claudia should have smelled it coming, but McCarty did quickly turn + his glove was still on. I don't think it's anywhere near as dirty as what Bertuzzi did, but I will agree with you when you classify it as a sucker punch. I also agree with you that I don't think it was Bertuzzi's intention to drive Moore's head into the ice and injury him severely, but when you sucker punch someone possibly rendering them unconscious, you can tackle them too, and that's what makes Bertuzzi's manuever too dirty for me.

You're the twit that thinks a punch broke Steve Moore's neck, it was the force of Bertuzzi's 235 pound body slamming Moore's head onto solid ice. You do understand that McCarty didn't body slam Claudia head first into the ice, right? You do understand that what Bertuzzi broke Moore's neck, right? And you do understand that Claudia only had to get stiches, right? Once again, I'm not calling the McCarty smashing of Claudia clean, but it sure wasn't as dirty as what Bertuzzi did. I can respect McCarty for standing up for Draper and putting some stiches in Lemeuix's face, I cannot respect Bertuzzi for breaking someone's neck for a borderline check by pile-driving them into the ice head first after a sucker punch from behind.

No your argument is weak. You're comparing a from behind head first pile drive to a PUNCH. Do you see the difference between PUNCHING someone and using your 235 pound frame to slam their head into solid ice? There's a difference between a fist and 235 pounds of gorilla head slamming you AFTER a sucker punch from BEHIND. McCarty - Sucker punch from the front Bertuzzi - Sucker punch from behind, then taking your stunned victim and head slamming him using your 235 pound body into solid ice You can't say the two are the same. I'm not saying that what McCarty did was squeaky-clean, but it was as dirty as what Bertuzzi did. Also, you can't argue with the results, would you rather have 12 stiches or a broken neck? Yes, Bertuzzi did not mean to break Moore's neck, but it's like what others said about drunk driving, they didn't mean to kill someone with their car, but when you do STUPID and DANGEROUS stuff like Bertuzzi did you going to wind up breaking someone's neck.

We don't agree on a couple points, but these video's you're coming up with are awesome.

He's my fav, but he just doesn't do well on the third and fourth lines. He's not very good at making plays outside of blocking the goalie's vision and getting rebounds. Passing, receiving passes, and stickhandling are weak spots for him. He needs to be surrounded by two guys that don't need Holmstrom to get the play going.

Holmstrom does not have 1st line skill, however, Holmstrom is the kind of player that compliments and feeds off the talent of others. Putting Holmstrom with your first liners will make everyone more effective because there will be a screen for their shots and a garbage man to clean up the rebounds.

You do understand the difference between NHL HOCKEY and walking northbound on the west side of Woodward, right? Let me explain it: - Hockey has fighting, and it's allowed (although penalized), if you see Darren McCarty skating at you with hellfire in his eyes you better drop the gloves or turtle, your choice - When you're walking up Woodward fighting is not allowed (although muggings are, although they are discouraged) You see the difference, hockey is a sport with fighting, walking is not. Now, do you see the difference between a quick sucker punch from the front where you fall down and a sucker punch from behind where you're Stone Cold Steve Austin-ed into the ice head first? When you start to understand the difference from these things you will see clarity in your world. A sucker punch is not a sucker punch, you have to take more into account.

Ummm.... What the hell? McCarty sucker-punched Claudia during a 12 man brawl. Claudia knew what McCarty was coming over there for. Hint: If you see Igor Larionov fighting Peter Forsberg you know hell has frozen over and you better run, especially if you see Darren McCarty foaming at the mouth and skating at you.