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Knees aren't "bad" because they've been injured twice in his career (including juniors) to such an extent that it caused him to miss games. An intentional knee-to-knee hit blew out his knee when he was with the Winter Hawks and he sprained his MCL (not badly) in his first game with the Penguins. Any other "injury" to his knees has been so inconsequential that it's not even worth mentioning.

a) It's deleted. b) Gaborik has a twitter account under his full name. c) The Kings can't talk to Hossa yet, so Gaborik has no idea what the team's intentions are. Had the Kings spoken to Hossa already (which they didn't), it would be tampering. Hossa is a Detroit Red Wing until tomorrow at noon.

I wish you'd refrain from commenting on hockey. Every single one of your posts is so full of idiocy that I don't even know where to begin to correct you. It's amazing that one person can possess such a sizable capacity to be consistently wrong. At least you decorate your verbiage with double negatives ("dis aint none dat dem der bitterness") and other hallmarks of illiteracy. I'm sure you'd have your salary cut in half to win Employee of the Month, right? The argument that he's about the money is absolutely hilarious in the face of him spurning a 10-year, $80m-$90m deal from the Oilers for one season with the Wings, risking a career-ending injury that would deprive him of tens of millions of dollars to do so. That Hossa! He's all about the money! Stop embarrassing yourself.

Dallas would be interesting. Hossa and Morrow were teammates and roommates with the Portland Winter Hawks the year they won the Memorial Cup.

Then adjust the post-retirement years accordingly.

Four million would be the CAP HIT, not the amount he actually receives. Honestly, people. It's not that complicated. Cap hit and amount actually paid are SEPARATE THINGS. You could conceivably pay Hossa $6m/year until he retires and still make the cap hit $4m/year if you added enough years on the end at a lower amount. 30: 6 31: 6 32: 6 33: 6 34: 6 35: 6 36: 6 37: 6 RETIRE - CONTRACT OFF THE BOOKS 38: 1 39: 1 40: 1 41: 1 42: 1 43: 1 Hossa earns $6m/year and his cap hit is $3.86m/year.

This. A player doesn't go into negotiations with a cap hit in mind - he goes in with an amount of money he'd like to be paid. With the options available to mitigate the hit (extending the years) and alternating payment amounts within that period, the cap hit is incredibly malleable.

I wouldn't look too much into this. It's an opening offer - you always start high. Contract negotiations are a lengthy process. Take heart in the fact that it's $1.5m less than he was asking for last year. That evidences a desire to stay in Detroit.

What happens to Heatley if the Sens can't move him? I can't believe a player is allowed (or has the selfishness) to put a team in such a bind.

You're the biggest loser on these forums. Bar none. You're a pitiful, worthless individual.

Excellent post.

Same deal as last year. Crosby shows up for one game in the Finals.

It was a mix of Stuart and Osgood that caused the Wings to lose. First goal was the fault of Stuart and the linesman who failed to call blatant icing. Second goal was Stuart's poorly-timed pinch and Osgood's decision to leave the far side open for a RIGHT HANDED SHOOTER coming in on the LEFT SIDE. Where'd you think he was going to shoot, Chris? Short side? And you're a professional goalie in the NHL?

This should be fun: What makes you say he lacks heart? Because he didn't score goals? A guy turns down $90m from another team for a one-year deal to try to win the Cup, scores 40 goals in the regular season, and has a playoff performance that Mike Babcock commended more times than I can count, yet he lacks heart? Did he look like someone who lacked heart when he skated off the ice tonight?

Here's an interesting way to look at it. Last year, the Wings won without Hossa. They lost who in the off-season? Dallas Drake and Dominik Hasek? Yet their inability to win this year is suddenly Hossa's fault? Team that WON last year + Hossa = loss, even though you're whining about Hossa's LACK of offensive production rather than Staurt-esque bonehead plays that resulted in goals for the opposing team. That's so illogical that I have difficulty even coming to terms with the fact that someone could blame Hossa and think they were making a sound point.

I'm done with the idiocy than infects these boards. If you had even an ounce of hockey knowledge, you'd realize that a player's contributions go beyond tallying points.

You haven't provided a single thing. You said "he sucks" and "he's lazy." Those aren't reasons why he sucks. I've shown you that he's a good player with more objective statistics than you can even comprehend. Learn to make an argument. For your own sake, if nothing else. Watch your stupidity, kid. You could be 60 and it wouldn't change the fact that you've got the intellect of a teenager in middle school.

Wrong again. Those were his four most recent post-season runs, with the exception of Atlanta, when he had a shoulder injury that required off-season surgery. Atlanta was and will continue to be a lousy team. The fact that Hossa scored 100 points in a season for them is one of the few reasons why they made the playoffs to begin with. He's been to the finals in consecutive seasons and made it to the conference finals once with Ottawa. I'd hardly call that "little playoff success."

He was the best player on the ice for games 4 and 5 of the Chicago series.

This is why you're a dips***. You can't provide a single objective reason why he "sucks," all you have are your ad hominem attacks. That's a telltale sign that you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. You were wrong to try to blame a series loss on him, you were wrong about his contributions while playing for other teams, and you were wrong about his contributions during this run. In fact, I can't think of a single instance where you said something that was correct. That's a monumental achievement for someone who identifies as a Red Wings fan. You take the art of being habitually incorrect to previously unexplored heights.

Two years? Two in Ottawa, one in Pittsburgh. That's actually three years out of four in which his team's playoff run extended more than a series. Like I said, if you haven't followed his career, don't pretend you understand it.

There's a difference between underachieving and implying that he cost the Wings the series. He didn't put up the same numbers as he did for Pittsburgh, but he was asked to play more of a two-way role and played significantly fewer minutes. In Pittsburgh (and Atlanta) he played 22 minutes per game and nearly the entire power play. In Detroit, he played half a powerplay if he got lucky and 17-18 minutes per game. If this weren't your first season following hockey, you'd realize that a player's contributions go beyond his statistics. Two of Hossa's best games in the playoffs (Game 5 against Chicago and one of the games against Columbus), he didn't register a single point. Stop being irrational and trying to lay the loss of an entire series at one player's feet.

More idiocy. Color me shocked. He was Ottawa's best player for their two most significant runs during his time there, he was a bad shoulder injury when he played in Atlanta's one playoff series, and tore it up last year. Don't pretend you understand a player's career when you've followed him for a single season and googled his stats for the others.

Get rid of Hudler, Samuelsson, Holmstrom, Maltby, and Draper. I'd love to get rid of Osgood too.

To say Hossa was bad all playoffs is moronic. I wont even dignify such a stupid statement with a response beyond this.