Finnish Wing

Even though he's a good two-way center he seems to have peaked at 40 points while Leino could hit 60 already this season. Both are good playoff players but Leino is better.

Yeah, I know. Doesn't feel like that does it?

Yeah, well Holland knew what he ordered when he signed him. Obviously Laviolette can handle this player better than Babcock and now they've got a +50 point scorer and a playoff beast for under a mill. It isn't any breaking news that not all players react the same to same kinda treatment.Well, at least we got a pick. I'm not the one who started this "hate-thread". Why would I hate some player? It's not like I know these NHL players and see their life enough to call them lazy or such. I don't know about Finnish players but I'd take Leino nine out of ten times over Filppula.

Let him play good playoffs and then trade him when his value's gone up a lil.

Always so funny to read all these sour comments. People think he is the same player than he was here and is only given special freedom to do what ever he wants there. Obviously most of these people don't actually watch him play or are too blind to even give him any credit when it's due. And then there are the people who think it's all because of Briere and Hartnell which I find even funnier. Why do you even care what he does? He's in the East now. It ain't gonna make that OKT trade look any better if that's what you're talking about. And really, Babcock tried to make some kinda net presence or sniper out of him. He's a playmaker and Detroit already have two top line playmakers so it's not a miracle that it didn't work here and it does there.

I think it's not outrageous to say he can be at the same level as they're now. Remember Pavs and Z both were kinda of late bloomers. Even Z had his first 50+ point season when he was 25/26.

They do, but for example in JLA that would've never happened.

How can you not know? Well, maybe because the design is different in arenas around NHL. Just maybe. Of course players should know every single detail of every 30 arenas while reacting to a play at the same time...

How can you say what kinda person someone is based on his play on the ice? Have you actually met Crosby?

He signed a two-year extension with Jokerit (obviously with an AHL/NHL clause).

There is rules for blindside hits, headshots, hits from behind etc. so they don't even have to be intented. Players know the rules. In the Chara-case only rule that was broken was the interference and there was no intention to anything else.I don't see how the method of punishing should be any different in hockey than it is for real life. In real life intent means a lot. Why should it mean nothing in hockey then? Or better yet, let's try a year in real life without intent meaning anything. Wouldn't it be fun if every accident would get the same punishment than a planned murder? Yayyy!

"but I don't think whether or not supplemental discipline was imposed would change what happened"Weird for Bettman to say something like that. Isn't that the case with all the suspensions? No suspension is going to change something that has already happened. I thought they are meant to prevent something from happening again.

I like this move as well. Flip hasn't been as good lately and if I remember right he did well when playing on the wing earlier. I think he was with Z that time as well.

For those who say intention doesn't matter and the punishment should be judged only by the outcome, think about this: murder and kill (dunno if it's the correct legal term). Two guys get into a fight on a balcony - yes, on a balcony - and the other accidentally falls because of the contact and dies. Elsewhere, a guy intentionally pushes other guy from the balcony to his death. Now, are these two cases identical in terms of the punishment because of the same outcome? Maybe some of you think Chara did it intentionally, which I find veeery hard to believe. Still, there are some people where who say that it "doesn't matter if it's intentional or not". Now, that I find absurd.

Pacioretty sounds so childish. Obviously he thinks Chara intent to hurt a minor player like him.

Why are they playing the "Chi-city" song by Kanye West in Detroit's homegames?

Mike's certainly a stylish guy.

There is a small padding but it's more about the angle than the softness or hardeness of the material. I don't know why the stanchion has to be right at the edge. Why can't it be like in the Creepierre- picture Barrie posted?

Well, it was a reply to another post. Helm just happened to be the subject.

I didn't say Hudler works harder than Helm. I'm just kinda sick of the way people see the term "working hard". When you're physical you automatically work harder than the skilled guy?edit: Actually I was at Joe Louis when Wings lost to Dallas 1-4 (damn you Lehtonen!!!). The atmosphere was amazing.

Well now you got it all wrong. There's a rule for tripping and high-sticking. Just like there's a rule for interference. Chara interferenced so he did deserve a penalty based on that, whether it was intentional or not. The injury resulting has nothing to do with it, because there was nothing else that broke the rules in that contact except the interference.

Yeah, that obviously can't be true because hitting and playing physical equals working hard.

I think the conversation resulting this incident shouldn't be about players' respect towards each other or something like that. It should be about the way the rinks are built. There should be some kind of curve in the stanchion or no stanchion like that at all (if it's even possible). I mean, the way it's now it's dangerous as hell. If there would be a curve there that would continue outside the rink the contact wouldn't be as nearly as hard and lethal as it is now.

It does matter, A LOT. It doesn't make sense if you do the exact same thing to some other player but you get suspension just because this guy got severely injured. There are certain rules set in the game. Chara broke those rules; he interferenced a player who didn't have the puck. That's a two minute for interference. To think that he (also knowing his history) intentionally tried to get Pacioretty's head injured is stupid. The game is fast. He was battling for the puck to prevent a chance going the other way.

I don't think that was intentional. Just like to many others here, seems to me Chara only tried to get to the puck before Pacioretty, or else it would've been a chance gone the other way. I strongly think the resulting injuries shouldn't affect the punishment. It just won't work that way.