plopster

I think people focus on points too much. I would be happy to have a guy that gets 10-15 points less a season but is effective at being a threat and wearing down the opposition and defense. And of course it would be nice to have some points in the playoffs. The cap hit per point compared to others argument is moot. Show up to play and make the other team have to defend you and game plan for you. Look at the grind line. Those guys didn't exactly tear up the point sheet but they sure as heck made playing against them difficult.

You're basically saying that people can be streaky and not put in effort and it's ok because that's a common theme in the nhl. The only reason they do that is because gms and coaches let them. If they all got together and decided they weren't going to reward sub par play with stupid contracts then guys would straighten up. It doesn't mean I have to be ok with it. Id rather they brought on a younger guy that is hungry than have someone lazy and having fun and happy with his season. I still think this all started when he hurt his knee the beginning of the 2010 season. He hasn't been the same since. Which is why if I'm a GM, no way I'm putting a guy in a long term contract like that. He gets hurt and boom you just screwed yourself.

No, I WISH he would be more dedicated and play hard every night and put in the effort that got him his nickname. But if he isn't going to do that then he should quit. As a paying fan and one who will have to pay more for a ticket for a new arena do not want to see someone take nights off. If you don't feel like playing that night then tell them and take a scratch.

I sure as s*** wouldn't pay vanek that much either. He wouldn't get more than 3 mil per. But I wouldn't want him anyway. Id rather see them chance on someone like gaborik that has proven himself before. But really it would be better to go with someone that has had little injury issues. Guys with nagging injuries are really annoying.

He's only worth about 2.5 what bothers me most is that they're paying him 4 mil for 5 more years. He's peaked and they can't drop him. Maybe he gets concussed and has to retire. Best case scenario.

Yeah because I said I wanted to fill the roster with guys like that. But thanks for pointing out you barely make the playoffs when people don't produce like Franzen. The point I was making is if you're going to spend money you should get a return for it.

The guy gets that amount of hate because as the coach and manager said, he was supposed to be elite. Had they gone with Hossa we would be in better shape. That's why he gets the hate. Because they gave him the deal because he was supposed to be producing like he had been. Instead he turned out to be a dud and Hossa went to the cup finals and won twice with the red wings main rival in the league and geographically. That's why he gets the hate. And rightfully so. He's lazy slow and then says he's happy with the way things went. f*** that. And f*** him for being lazy. Id rather have a guy that only puts up cleary type points that busts his ass every night up and down the rink than pay some bum to float around and pick his spots and show up when he feels like it.

Yeah. This thread is about not liking him because he has not been doing what they said they were paying him to do. So what is your point. Franzen is not earning his money that they could have spent somewhere else. He needs to be off the team. However they have to do it to get rid of him and free up cap space they should because he has not done what they wanted him to do. And he never should have asked for an 11 year contract. He should have signed a 5 year. Because we could move him on to another team and get better quality forwards by now. That's ken holland and babcocks fault. They play the sentimental game and want to keep guys. That's bulls***. This is a sport. The shelf life for guys isn't high like it was for lids chelios and yzerman. This is a business. Stop playing the we want these guys to be a lifer routine. It's not feasible.

This sums it up right here. Look at the language holland and Babcock use about him and his abilities and future abilities. All the people on here comparing him to all the other top 6 guys in the league can now eat your words because that's not what they wanted out of him. http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2009/04/red_wings_reportedly_sign_joha.html

I'm not nitpicking. This is a thread about Franzen. Nobody else. And for the amount of money, and length of contract, he sucks. Like I said, we could have Hossa instead of this no show. The only reason he gets an assist on that goal in game 1 is because datyuk DOES show up to play and pulled that s***ty pass out of his ass from Franzen. You watch that replay and it's his style in a nut shell. He was already on his way back to going on defense because he knew his pass was s***ty and not crisp. He is slow and not worth the money he is paid. He is injury prone and scared to get another concussion. He's like a pitcher that's been hit in the head from a line drive. He's timid and waiting for it to happen again rather than just playing. He sucks and he should be traded cut sent down whatever. He's not in shape and can't keep up with the game anymore. It seems like since chelios Holmstrom lidstrom and draper left the conditioning has gone out the window. Those guys were the ones in the gym after games and working out all summer. I think that is part of the problem with this team now. It doesn't seem like they're putting in the work like they used to and it shows at the end of games when they're being out skated to loose pucks. And saying your season didn't end how you wanted it to is not self pity. Ffs, it isn't unprofessional to acknowledge you didn't meet your goals you had for the season and you will get back to work to do your best to prevent it next year. At no point would I say I was happy with that. It doesn't mean it's unprofessional. I wouldn't be happy we lost the winter classic in our backyard, I wouldn't be happy we barely clawed into the playoffs. I wouldn't be happy we lost so many games in ot/shoot out, I wouldn't be happy we have up so many leads, and I sure as s*** wouldn't be happy I lost 4 straight games in the playoffs. If he was just being professional then that's bulls*** too because as a fan I don't need to be lied to.

I didn't say wallow in self pity. I said accept the blame and say you aren't satisfied and have the desire to make changes and get a grip back on the league and get back to the finals. Not that you're happy with it. Because I wouldn't be happy with it. I would say it wasn't what we were capable of and it will get better and that I want it to be better. Maybe that's being a competitor. But silly me what do I know. Saying he was happy with it makes me think he is ok and at peace with it and that shouldn't be the case.

Is that what you think will happen or hope? I think if he continues to decline and nancies around the ice more so he can avoid concussions he won't even be worth that much by 2019 no matter what the market is on forwards. The truth is his contract IS too long. They should never have given him one that length and if that's what his agent was asking or he would walk, I would say let his ass walk. Could have gotten Hossa. And the whole thing was a gamble. They were hoping he would be beast mode for another 4 or 5 years and win a couple more cups. Just like they were gambling that they could have gotten sutter and parise or one or the other or Shea weber. None of those things happened either and now they're gambling on their prospects and spending money on mediocre veterans like bertuzzi, Samuelson, Weiss, alfredson and cleary. None of that worked either. So he better have another idea this season and it better include spending some money on a couple guys with two year contracts and making a trade or two at the draft. So far the coaching and management have been striking out the last few seasons, they better get some ducks on the pond this offseason that don't include washed up injury prone floaters. The kings rangers hawks and bruins are showing what it takes to get deep in the playoffs in the nhl today. The wings do not have a roster for that right now. They need to wake up.

I expect him to say something like obviously it didn't end the way we wanted and things to didn't go as well as they could have. Not "Oh I was happy with the season". If you were happy with that then go play for the flyers or something. The expectations are much higher in Detroit.

How about this: http://www.freep.com/article/20140428/COL08/304280030/detroit-red-wings-johan-franzen-drew-sharp

Say what any of you want, but you can't tell me you like that there is a guy on the team that is supposed to be a skilled leader that says after the season is over that he is satisfied with this past season. That should tell you he is complacent and not hungry. I don't know about any of you but I would not be "satisfied" with that season. Unless I won it all, there would not be any satisfaction to be had. Period. That just stinks to me and tells me he isn't pushing himself and makes me question his competitive spirit.

This. Beautiful. Chicago can suck it. And their dbag fair weather fans. Wings better make a hell of an offseason and get healthy and conditioned and get their s*** together.

f*** s***cago 7 goals in one series by kings defensemen. That's how you win games. Everyone is on the board putting up points and goals. You can't have 2 decent lines and average defense. It doesn't work.

It's hard to win when your team doesn't score.

Rangers. Now it's LAs turn. NY vs LA. I'm sure the media world will love that.

Hell yeah. I don't like LA in general but I like the way the kings play. Very hard and very disciplined and skilled. That's a hockey team.

I just want to say again, f*** Boston, that's right, the whole damn liberal city, and f*** dirty players who can't play the game straight up. If you don't think you can win that way, then obviously you aren't that good and you need to stay the f*** home. Montreal played the game mostly the way it should be and that's why they won, end of story. Personally I would like to see more guys get their ass knocked out in a fight to keep guys honest but it seems like nobody wants to do that much anymore.

Yeah I'm sure that's what was going through his mind. That's what happens when you act like a magnanimous prick and then lose and look like a jackass doing it. You are at a total loss for any kind of response. Eat it lucic

They asked him about the handshake line and the water thing and he stumbled and mumbled like any other halfwit would and wouldn't comment and looked like he was really confused how to talk. Giant ******

Lucic

They just showed that retards post game interview. He doesn't know how to use words that aren't profane obviously. Clearly the guy is a goon and a bone head. Crossing my fingers for a season ending injury next year.