Doc Holliday

I think giving Bertuzzi money period is a good thing in his mind. Either 1 mil or 0 mil next season. What do you think Bert is going to take?

That may be true if Holmstrom wasn't such an injury risk.

I got negged for being overly optomistic regarding the contracts? How dare I.

I'm a wishful thinker when it comes to contracts. Zetterberg for 4? Datsyuk for 5? Lidstrom for 5? Rafalski without that silly NTC?

Man, if only the Wings had waited 20 games to see if Leino could hack it. Oh, they did? You are backtracking.

Well that will be pretty sad if he doesn't get a contract with Detroit. 1 mil for Bert to stay? Please?

1. He was not "on fire" when he started out in Philly. He didn't even start the playoffs on an amazing note either. Secondly, it's your fault for buying a jersey for a guy who hadn't even played a full season in a Wings sweater.

I'm sure you have mad some gramatical errors when talking on the spot. English isn't even his native language.

Says something about you when you post here as well.

Didn't want to put in the effort his linemates are doing for him?

Philly fans are among the most intolerable of sports.

f*** the Flyers and their fans. The fact some of you people are rooting for a team with Chris Pronger on it is beyond me.

They are neither of the options posted in the OP. The Broad Street Bullies were legendary for what they did. This Philly team isn't the same.

You are acting like it is a deplorable move and how I'm "painting" it as a cool move. Yzerman should do whatever it takes to improve his team. If Holland doesn't like it he can deny him access to certain members of his staff. There is nothing wrong with any of this. Stop getting up in arms about it especially since Yzerman just opened up shop in Tampa and needs people to work for him.

They gave him plenty of chances, but he dug his own grave when he had the audacity to only sign a contract with Detroit as long as he wasn't playing in the minor leagues for more than one year. He could have developed but he was more interested about getting to the big show than his long term success with Detroit.

It was needed to bring players back. And if you don't show any improvement during the season then you are going to be on the chopping block. He was not very valuable considering how s***ty he was playing. Point being? More definitive than the 13 games you latch on to. Perhaps Williams should have been moved. Perhaps he tried that and didn't get any offers. Getting rid of a player (Maltby) who was a veteran on the team is completely ass-backwards. It is hillarious how people magically came out of the woodwork in hate of this deal when Leino suddenly started scoring in Philly.

I would think matters like these would be more relateable to actual desk jobs instead of player contracts. If in a business you can't allow yourself to make some "douchey" moves then you aren't going to last long. R And that is the nature of the beast. Why wait if he can get them now? It's not stealing if they go at will. And I'm not giving him a free pass. I'm saying he is acting like a business man and though I don't like having our guys get "poached" that is business. And he owes Hollland nada because, like you say, he wears a Lightning jersey now. You mean to tell me Yzerman is going to make moves to try and help his team? BLASPHEMOUS!

Yeah, how dare he try to get people to work for him who he is familiar with. Damn him!

You need to stop using strawman arguments to defend your completely silly beliefs. No s***. Based on his s***ty season, lack of improvement and high salary? Detroit didn't have "a little bit of time". If they weren't up against the cap Leino would have stayed. How much was he making? 13 games doesn't make a career. Once again you completely have no idea the basis upon which Leino was moved. Do some reading. Nobody is asking you because everybody who pays attention knows why Leino was moved. You obviously don't. Brett Lebda is a defenseman. Not much of a point in getting rid of a defenseman for a forward to replace when you still have to put a defenseman in the lineup anyway.

You are an idiot.

The team was a firewagon in 09. Big ******* deal. Does that mean the 08 and 07 teams were much worse than the 06 one? Silly rabbit. I suppose dedication to a franchise has no basis on what kind of contract you get. Oh wait, it does. So who else is more consistent? I would love to see who you choose. Meant defenseman.

Based on? How does a defenseman's +/- get worse when the team is better? Lidstrom was a top 5, arguably top 3 player last year. Just because he isn't THE best doesn't mean a contract worth 6 mil is too much. How long has Draper been in this franchise compared to Rafalski when he was signed? Because Lidstrom is the most consistent performer out there. And the great thing is he isn't. This is a good contract for a great player.

Top-5 is only great now? And his +/- was so mundane in comparison this recent year because the team was so god-awful for the majority of it. No ******* s*** he isn't going to have a career year. Top-5 IS being a top defenseman in the league. You have ridiculously high standards. My point is he shouldn't have to make less than a guy like Rafalski (who also has a NTC to boot) when he plays so much better. If he played at his level in 08, why wouldn't he deserve 7.4 mil like in 08? And how would that hurt the team when they won the cup with that exorbitant cap hit. He was never paid league max in the salary cap world. Bannedforlife: I find it strange you compare the salaries of Keith and Lidstrom career-wise when Lidstrom has not had a salary cap to worry about for the majority of his career. I can only imagine the kind of moolah that would be thrown at Keith if he played in the 90s.

Lids on the decline is still better than all those defensemen, minus Pronger (and that is arguable).

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