Doc Holliday

Just wait till Phaneuf has a bad game. I guarantee you he won't have the same sentiments about the fans. Just ask Murph.

You should know my point if you even remember when that save was made.

What NHL did Mickey play in?

A good game for Detroit? Egad! Though I won't be impressed till they string a couple of these types of games in a row, considering the last time Detroit had a good game it was against this same team.

I'm talking about the 09 playoffs. Check the quotes and my posts because it seems you aren't really reading what I'm putting out there. (P.S. I believe Zetterberg still deserved the Conn Smyth due to his performance in the 08 finals. He was probably the single-most reason Crosby failed to do much other than in game 3) Also, no goalie ever needs to just stand in goal. Every team gets a chance or two and he did fine in getting a 1.55 GAA and .930 sv%. Average or not, you don't put up those numbers just by standing in goal like a cutout. Okay, what? He had to stop between 20 and 30 shots. Once again I'm not saying Osgood did "amazing" in the 08 playoffs because that Detroit team was amazing with puck possession, but his benefit can't be discounted simply because of the team in front of him. Hasek had that same team and lost it, despite posting similar numbers as Osgood during the regular season. And once again, you can disagree with the players, coaches, and media all you want regarding Osgood's performance in the 09 playoffs. That's your call. Hero? I am not calling him a hero, and you seem to be full of strawmen arguments and such to make it seem like I'm some fanatical Osgood supporter who thinks without him the Wings would be playing like crap. Second, Osgood played with "non powerhouse" teams in St. Louis and New York and posted a winning record every year with those teams and made the playoffs as well. Third, you have no idea what position the team would be in if Osgood was playing the majority of the games, because it is a purely hypothetical scenario. Back at the beginning of the season we could have said the same regarding BOTH of the goalies (remember the Sweden debacle?). Carry on, yourself.

Meh. Not a fan.

Zetterberg didn't just gush. He said he thought Osgood was the best goaltender in the playoffs. The writers weren't gushing. They were stating what was considered the obvious opinion: that Osgood and Zetterberg were Detroit's undisputed best players. Their teammates and the experts agreed with that assessment. And even if we disregard that, does a washed up goaltender do a "good job" by helping his team to two straight finals in a row?

You seem to be one of the few who holds this opinion: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...es_chris_o.html His teammates agree with the assessment that Osgood and Zetterberg were the two frontrunners for playoff MVP had the Wings won the last series. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09163/976892-61.stm http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31333762/ns/sports-nhl/ Your opinion is your own, I suppose.

Once again, the ad hom attacks continue with you. Osgood wasn't anything "special" but he had some great games (Nashville, Boston, Chicago, Washington) and, shocking, actually stole one or two for Detroit. It was a huge improvement over the year prior so I don't see why people thought it was a good idea to put Howard in for 12 straight starts when Osgood wasn't playing like "s***". I would like to make it clear I am not saying Osgood is playing better than Howard, he deserves more starts than Howard, or that he even deserves the same amount as Howard. I am saying he deserves at least a start every 4 or 5 games. Howard is a rookie and if people really think he is going to be the playoff goaltender then he needs to not be overworked. Now is that not a reasonable position? Or am I still considered a homer for saying Osgood has anything left in the tank? Clutch: Osgood was Detroit's MVP (arguably Zetterberg) in the playoffs last year, and despite what you think about not having to steal games, Detroit's shot totals against went UP in the playoffs. Osgood wasn't the only reason the Wings made it as far as they did, but he was probably the biggest reason.

I'm assuming you thought Osgood was washed up last year, right? Is it at all possible to discuss the issue without accusing the other side of being biased and unable to think clearly? Just once zack you can try to be civil and stop playing the "holier than thou" card. You aren't magically better than anyone just because some of us still think Osgood has something to offer the team. Osgood also wasn't playing like s*** before Howard got those 12 magical starts in a row, so there is your revisionist history for you.

Funny, everyone is saying that.

Depends on if it was full speed or not. Drapes gave a Pitt. player a couple shots like that into the boards standing still. Either way, I think the league would implode if he was in the league today.

He has another year left on his contract.

You have to at least give Fil some grief for that opportunity. My grandmother could have made that shot.

When they were injured they were focused on a "dump and chase" mode because of all the grinder players in the lineup. Now that they are getting more skilled guys back they are attempting to adapt to a "puck possession" style. Over time it should get better. They looked better in that regard tonight, at least.

Burke's game has always been "shock and awe" in order to delude his fans that he is going to make them a consistent contender. What happened in Vancouver? Nothing. What about Anaheim? One cup then a first round exit. Now? Bottom feeder with no draft picks to speak of and a bunch of random players mixed in. No thank you.

Well I mean like a seasoned veteran. Once he gets a few playoff games everyone will "see" how much he sucks and how overrated he is because of the system in front of him. I mean he is the goaltender. If he isn't stopping every shot he must be doing something wrong. Also for those stating that Crosby is a ******: The guy got shoved by Stuart in the chest and into the net, and actually picked up his stick and handed it to him after the whistle blew. I guess he must be a real tool to try something like that, right?

Takes two to tango, mein freund. This is about Osgood/Howard. If you have nothing else to say on that matter maybe you should concentrate on discussing things elsewhere. Howard played great tonight and is the one proving that he should be in goal more often than not. Hopefully the team in front of him can play a full 60 minutes so that he doesn't need to carry them all on his back every game.

Technically it is Howard's career worst season since it is his first full season in the NHL.

Just wait till Howard becomes a regular cog in the Detroit Red Wings. You'll be seeing much more of that bologna.

Once again, baseless assertions.

Against Malkin and Crosby.

Neither you or Pucks have shown anything to "discredit" me. I have nothing against Howard. I think that he should get more games than Osgood because he is playing better. But to you it seems that if I defend Osgood in any manner it means I'm a biased Osgood homer who thinks Howard is crap and shouldn't even be in the NHL, or something of that nature. I know it is easier to just list baseless assertions, but it doesn't help your case. Go ahead and bash other posters for holding the same opinion.