Doc Holliday

Maltby has been doing well defensively (blocked one of Ovechkin's shots in the WSH game without a helmet) and Draper has been giving some good pressure in the offensive zone. I don't expect much out of them considering their age but they really shouldn't be getting the scorn, here. It's the upper level guys who are ******* up.

Because it was a fair point. If it had to do with forwards I would point it out. There is hypocrisy on these boards when it comes to certain players and I stated so. Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? Because it is some way for me to defend Ozzie's honor? Honestly, if you want to discuss the point then do it. Don't throw me ad hominems as if it discredits my point.

Pointing out what? That the team collapses no matter who is in net? I don't feed off of anything negative because watching Howard do bad is BAD. I don't enjoy the team losing or suffering on any occassion. I think Howard got screwed over against the Isles. I think the first goal tonight was all Ericsson and that the third was all Stuart. I think Howard did great against the Kings last time and has deserved more starts than Osgood. I have STATED this multiple times and have no problem stating it. I discuss the issue, and if I have a problem with something I point it out. The team collapsed and did not do well offensively. And Howard didn't have some lights out game either. Any other conspiracy theories?

Maybe when people on this board end their bulls*** hypocrisy I'll stop pointing it out to them. I didn't even say Howard had a bad game. Heaven forbid I do though, right?

Well Hossa would have been gone for half the year and Franzen+Zetterberg would have been healthy and doing much better than they are now. Yeah, in hindsight it sucks, but it was the right call.

Someone was in the rafters threatening to jump. Probably didn't want to watch the Wings blow their fifth lead in a row.

I find that ironic considering Osgood was to blame by many on this board for the Washington collapse.

At least the argument that the team plays better in front of Howard can stop. The only good thing that came from this game is the possibility that Lilja may return to the lineup.

Ironic you call me an Osgood homer with this statement...

Good to know the team plays better in front of Howard. Oh wait, they blow it in the third no matter who is in net. Go figure.

Dammit Osgood! We need more drama! How else are we going to get this thread to 50 pages?

Sorry, but it is ECKlund. No chance of that happening.

Lets see him for a little longer than 3/4 of the year before we start making predictions, shall we? He could be the next Dan Ellis or Steve Mason for all we know.

Courtesy of yours truely:

Even I fought at that age. I checked people, too.

Unless you didn't even understand what Outsider meant by "ready" then I am answering your point. You mention Howards stats and ask if he isn't ready. I then respond with Legace's stats and tell you he was not ready regardless of how well his stats looked in the regular season, whether they were by good play or the team around him. This has nothing to do with points getting or anything in the regular season. But since we are going back to the regular season bit (which has nothing to do with Outsider's original post you quoted), Babcock has been putting Howard in for more starts than Osgood because he has earned more starts, but Babcock is wearing down Howard too much when there are opportunities that he could have played Osgood (Carolina/Dallas) and rested Howard. Washington was a bad game to put in a cold goaltender, regardless of how well he played against them in October. Having Howard play both Dallas and Chicago (when he could have went Osgood/Howard) was also a bad move in my opinion. Osgood's beef isn't about being regulated to backup. It's being put on the shelf until Howard is so tired that he just can't anymore. That is pointless. Especially since Osgood will need to be ready if the Wings make the playoffs and losing a point or two later on is the same as losing a point or two now. Getting a few points up in the standings doesn't change the fact Detroit will need to keep a respectable record in March and April.

It means exactly what I was pointing out. He put up great stats but wasn't ready for the post-season. Howard's regular season stats do not magically make him ready for the post-season.

People are mad that Carcillo wasn't enforcing on the PP.

I was just kidding around with the "flourishing with a second chance" bit.

Chris Osgood.

Or the shooters were. Or nobody really was. Yeah.

He didn't make that many timely saves, if any. He had trouble with rebound control and had no odd man rushes against. Howard was not the difference in this game one way or the other and neither was Osgood the night before.

Not even close. It is like comparing Gretzky to any capable forward in the league.

Legace was top 5 in GAA and top 10 in Sv% in 06.

You just jinxed it you *******.