Doc Holliday

You are really using drastic examples to prove your point. If Lidstrom's +/- was that bad (assuming his teammates stay the same) his defensive play would likely reflect that number. The difference is Lidstrom is still a solid defensive player, and his +/- is hardly an indicator of that considering the 20 pt drop has happened multiple times in his career. Do you honestly believe Rafalski is a better defensive player than Lidstrom based on the fact he has a 16 pt cushion on +/-? Do you believe Lidstrom is the worst defensive player on the team based on the fact he has the worst +/-? Context. My statement was perfectly valid.

Randy Carlyle did in the 1981 season. It would not at all, because everyone who understands the position of defense in hockey knows you cannot measure defensive play with statistics.

Lol at +/- being used as an indicator of anything. Lidstrom's +/- throughout his career has fluctuated by 20+ points multiple times. It isn't like it is unheard of for his +/- to drop a significant amount without his defensive play taking a huge hit. The team defensively as a whole has gotten worse.

No, that isn't the original. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH9gI-NRFxs

Richards fighting Dubinsky. Avery getting a goal called off. Gaborik vs. Vertseeg. 3-0 Rangers http://atdhenet.tv/35211/watch-philadelphia-flyers-vs-new-york-rangers Watch this game. It is turning out to be quite the matchup. Would love to see these two play each other in the first round.

It's not a strawman. This site is obsessed with the Penguin conspiracy to the point where people on this board ignore times the Penguins get the short end of the stick and only point out times when they benefit. Hell, how many suspensions did Cooke get when he was in Vancouver or Washington? It has nothing to do with the logo on the front of the jersey.

Man, only took three replies...

Callahan hat trick! Flyers are imploding in this game.

Lidstrom has been Detroit's best defenseman. Rafalski has not. Deal with it.

One defenseman is not going to magically reverse what the Wings have been screwing up. It is a team issue, from top to bottom.

I'm going as far to record the number of times I smack myself in the face during these games. It has to be a record.

Bad game. Bad stretch. If Detroit plays bad against Edmonton (I'll be front and center for my birthday) I think I'm going to run the bench and punch McCrimmon repeatedly in the face.

Getting out? Hell, what are the chances they even are respectable in that round?

Darren Helm:

Mindfly is hacking GMR's account! SOMEONE GET THE MODS!!!!

Hedman wasn't suspended on his headshot to Crosby. Strange conspiracy there, don't you think?

Did you stop watching at :56? Look at 2:05. Left arm.

Lidstrom is a frontrunner at this point. Enstrom will not win it if the Thrashers miss, and either way he hasn't been as great as he started. Buff has no chance. Letang's numbers have taken a dive since the team has been stricken with injuries. Yandle has hardly any PK time. Neither Keith or Doughty are what they were last season. Neither Weber or Chara have the points to contend, and Thomas should completely nullify any defensive statistic Chara has over anyone else. This is Lidstrom's to lose.

Or maayyybeee it was because he was suspended for a headshot the last game he played in, and immediately after coming back he performed a similar action. Would have loved a 20 gamer but hey, 10 games isn't bad. For those comparing this to the Clutterbuck hit: Cluster was attempting to make a hockey play. Gillies was retaliating.

Ritola was recalled from the minors and is playing against Boston tonight. Just as an update for those who are interested.

If Gillies was smart (which he is not) he would take the instigator on Clutterbuck, wreck his s***, then sit the 17 minutes. It's not like he deserves much ice time anyway. Hell, if he is deemed the aggressor and gets a game for it then the Isles are better off.

As fans.

And the Flames aren't helping us out at all. 4-1 Hawks after 2. ******* dammit.

Way too much cute s***. I don't understand what they think they are doing out there.

Oh Lilja.