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Howard, Abdelkader, & DeKeyser get an invite to the team USA camp: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/22848632/usa-hockey-invites-45-players-to-olympic-camp-goes-heavy-on-youth I'm a little surprised by the DeKeyser invite personally.

They'll still have about $4.3m in cap space left after the Jagr signing if it is $4.5m/y but given their financial issues & the fact they'll have 14 forwards on the roster, it probably means they're out of the running for Brunner.

Good & proper (and talented) Canadians know how to treat the Cup & team traditions with the proper respect:

So roster management (which I think player signings have something to do with right?) has no impact on which prospects a team decides to sign & add to said roster? Really? Every single transaction the Wings make in regards to adding to the 50 man roster (especially when you're already at/near the limit) has an impact on who or who does not get signed. It's a simple process to follow: bringing talent up from within the organization opens a roster spot up for a prospect to be signed. Signing from outside/re-signing an existing roster player blocks a new prospect from signing. So in real world applications, yes it does matter to Quine's contract status (all unsigned prospects actually) with the Wings whether or not Kenny decides to sign a Damien Brunner in July of last year instead of putting Nyquist or Tatar in that spot, signing a Colaiacovo instead of going with Lashoff or Almquist, sign Brunnstrom after a camp tryout, etc. because each one of those moves takes up a roster spot that could have been used to sign a new prospect as you pull talent up from GR. And ultimately, maintaining your roster & prospect pool this way doesn't cost the organization extra money, which "dropping" already signed prospects does. Plus that will probably give your organization a bad reputation if you routinely buy prospect contracts out. So to sum up my opinion, how the front office goes about building the roster in regards to signing UFAs/re-signing existing roster players vs. promoting from the AHL, is the single most important factor in determining how many new prospects make it into their system on an annual basis.

I believe the whole "Cleary has signed & the Wings just need to clear a roster spot/cap room" has already been dispelled. Edit: Couple of links from the last few days that Kenny is looking at the possibility of moves that could bring Cleary back but that he might be done until camp starts. http://www.sourcenewspapers.com/articles/2013/07/22/sports/doc51ed440324ea8737640873.txt http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/07/18/the-detroit-red-wings-have-an-excess-of-nhl-forwards-and-want-to-trade-one-of-them/ http://www.freep.com/article/20130717/SPORTS05/307170033/detroit-red-wings-ken-holland TL;DR... There's not a done deal on Cleary but it remains a possibility that he might be back.

Since you asked a question, I'll actually answer even though you say you're done with this. Given that Quine was eligible to be signed between the end of June 2011 through June 1 of this year, each & every one of these signings had an impact on the Wings offering him a contract & adding him to the 50 man roster. Doesn't matter if the player signed at the time is no longer on the roster now, ultimately they were signed instead of Quine (or any other prospect for that matter) at that moment in time. For example, the Wings could have signed Quine instead of Chris Conner in July 2011, Brunnstrom in October of 2011 after his camp invite that fall, or Brunner in July of last year. To say that other signings done in the window the Wings had to get Quine on the roster had absolutely no impact on signing him is a complete fallacy. And FYI, I was the one who mentioned the comments made by the front office that they drafted him hoping he could develop into a Darren Helm type player i.e. using his speed & skating ability as a lockdown bottom 6 center. The knock on him still 2 years after he was originally drafted is that he doesn't play well away from the puck & his defensive game is lacking. Best of luck to him in the Isles organization but I don't think anyone in the Wings' front office will be losing any sleep over not signing him.

Just to level set, you do know that those signings are AHL only contracts? Quine had to be signed by the big club by June 1, not by GR so those signings have nothing to do with Quine.

And funny how I actually never used the word know/knowing in my original posts yet you decide to quote me on it....lol I guess it makes "sence" to ask you then who the Wings should have not signed prior to June 1 of this year to fit him on the 50 man roster then. Since Quine was drafted up through the June 1 deadline of this year to sign him, here's who the Wings have signed including contract extensions. I'm including signings at the NHL level not just prospects because Quine was as much competing for a spot on the 50 man roster with those as he was w/ other prospects: May 2013: Alexi Marchenko, Nick Jensen April 2013: Jared Coreau, Jimmy Howard March 2013: Dan DeKeyser February 2013: Brian Lashoff September 2012: Carlo Colaiacovo, Justin Abdelkader August 2012: Tomas Jurco, Martin Frk July 2012: Kyle Quincey, Marek Tvrdon, Max Nicastro, Jonas Gustavsson, Jordin Tootoo, Damien Brunner June 2012: Darren Helm May 2012: Teemu Pulkkinen April 2012: Riley Sheahan March 2012: Xavier Ouellet, Ryan Sproul February 2012: Todd Bertuzzi October 2011: Niklas Kronwall, Peter Mrazek, Fabian Brunnstrom July 2011: Francis Pare, Jordan Pearce, Ty Conklin, Joey MacDonald, Chris Conner, Jonathan Ericsson, Patrick Eaves, Drew Miller, Mike Commodore OK master NHL scout, who do you not sign (and not using 20/20 hindsight vision btw i.e. signing Quine over Colaiacovo because he was always injured) in order to squeeze Quine on the 50 man roster?

LOL...and I love how you claim to "know" that there are 5 other guys in the system that "have a hell of a lot less potential" than a junior player that the organization decided hadn't developed enough to warrant dropping one of those prospects & offering him a contract. You see the hypocrisy in that statement?

I don't believe for one second that it was a serious consideration for Pavel. The "meeting" was probably nothing more than a conversation like... Sergei: Hey Pavel, I would really be interested in having you play for CSKA Moscow next season. Pavel: No thanks /meeting Nothing more than PR spin from Sergei

The problem as I see it going with legend's names is that Orr & Howe are required. Do you really want Boston not in the Orr division or Detroit not in Howe?

Only 3 original 6 teams in the division will battle it out? Hope you're not leaving the Wings out of it with the Bruins, Habs, & Leafs being the 3.

I just wonder why they didn't go with Pacific, Central, Atlantic, & Gary's Facebook Likes for division names.

So from what I've seen on him: Pros: Quick, might have some offensive upside (been inconsistent in juniors), good work ethic Cons: Small, lacking on the defensive side of the game When you're drafted as a Darren Helm (based on comments from the Wings brass) type of player and your defensive game doesn't develop, you're just not going to get offered a pro contract when the organization is already at/near the 50 player roster limit.

Well clearly, the NHL went with Metropolitan because all the teams in that division reside in metropolitan areas & the teams in the other divisions don't right? Right?

He was never offered a pro contract. And no, the Wings didn't let one get away. Far better prospects in the system that deserved pro contracts over him.

Wings schedule is out: http://www.nhl.com/ice/schedulebyseason.htm?team=det Division names are: Atlantic, Metropolitan, Central, & Pacific.

Detroit is now officially in the Atlantic Division. The others are Metropolitan, Central, & Pacific.

Supposedly, the new division names are going to be announced today too.

Why would anyone want to add unnecessary crap to this perfection? Best damn jersey in all of sports & you want to adds stars or some s*** to them? Leave the stars to that team down in Dallas.

At 18 & with his frame, I doubt he's ready to step up and play against men in the AHL, let alone make the jump all the way up to the bigs. He'll still have one more year at least in juniors & if he does manage to add some bulk and consistent complete level, he'll might be in GR starting in 2014-15 as a 19-20 year old.

Unless he suddenly turns into Yzerman 2.0 during the prospect tourney or camp, I seriously doubt that. He'll spend at least another year in the Q before turning pro.

Or you can still order a Flip WC jersey on the NHL's site for a low low price of $180 http://shop.nhl.com/product/index.jsp?productId=20711036&ab=CMS_DET_Bspot_US:2014NHLWC_FilppulaJersey_040813 They're really on the ball over there at the head office, aren't they?

The other one you might look at is coolhockey.com given that they're based out of Toronto. From a price standpoint, I think they usually sit somewhere between sportsk & the NHL shop at least on Wings gear. On a related note, I had heard that the WC jersey's being sold on the NHL's site were screen printed instead of sown on. Anyone seen confirmation on that yet?

Before this devolves into a thread of "can I remember everyone who wore #15 for the Wings?", you can find all of 'em here: http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/DET/numbers.html Back on topic, it should be automatic that Aflie gets #11. As of right now, Cleary isn't a member of the Wings being a UFA & has no claim to the number in my opinion.