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I'll comment on both. The reason the faceoff was in the Detroit zone is because the net was knocked off by a Detroit player. That is also the reason they didn't blow the play dead because when the puck was in the San Jose zone. It would have given the Wings an advantage (face off in the attacking zone) after they were the ones to knock net off. As for the Murray hit? It was as much Franzen running in to Murray as Murray hitting Franzen and he lowered his head making a shoulder to shoulder hit become a shoulder to head hit. Also, it was not "late" as Franzen had just gotten rid of the puck. It wasn't like Murray took a run at him from the blindside, it was just two guys arriving at point A at the same time. No penalty, CERTAINLY no postgame disciplinary action needed. For a team of champs, you guys sure whine a lot. Even the players now?

First I want to say this: You guys have an amazing and scary team, and if it weren't for Nabokov making some amazing saves every one of those games could have gone the other way. Howard was good, but Nabber was just a little better, that and not the refs decided this series. I'm shocked that someone would even suggest "massive" changes to the roster when your team was easily one of the best five teams in the NHL. Howard will be a year more experienced and you'll be back next year, hopefully we will meet again in 2011. Great series, it's been a lot of fun and you guys have been fun to hang out with. See you next year. Second for the people calling for suspensions or even a penalty on Murray? Really? Stuart whacked Pavelski so hard in the mouth with his elbow it dislodged a tooth. Murray got doubleteamed by Bertuzzi and (someone else) by the bench, no where NEAR the puck and they tried to remove his head. Their was more than one cheap shot in last night's game. So really, just stop. All the whining diminishes the whole results. Your team played hard and our team played hard. Leave it at that.

As for bounces, sooner or later? The Sharks had all the bounces in games 1 and 2. The bounces have already gone their way, its not like the Sharks have been lacking in luck in this series. Really? How many goals have the Sharks scored where the last thing the puck hit before going in the net was a Detroit players skate or stick? (other than the goalie) Can you give me an example of a goal where the Sharks got a “lucky” bounce? It’s happened four times for the Wings so far…………They've fluked in more than their share of "passes" that turned in to goals. Of course, the same thing happened three or four times in the Avalanche series to the Sharks too. They probably lead the league in fluke goals against.

I have to agree, that kind of an individual performance comes around once in a lifetime. If somehow the Wings come back and win this series, that game will be an “instant classic” for years to come. What amuses me is just yesterday there was an article about how Franzen has been “struggling” to recover from his knee surgery. Man, I wish Thornton and Marleau “struggle” like that Saturday.

Don't count on it. Traditionally Nabber follows up a bad game with a stellar game. It's going to take more that fluke skate deflections and fat rebounds landing perfectly in your lap to beat him next game. Sooner or later the bounces are going to start going the Sharks way. The Wings have scored four goals off Sharks d-men's skates and two off their own guys skates.

Wow, what a disaster for the Sharks. Sorry I missed it but the wife made dinner plans for us on hockey night. (not quite grounds for divorce, but still................................... One win in the bank (and a convincing one) but it's still 3-1 and our boys are coming home. I'm glad that the Wings fans got to see a win at home. Hopefully, that will be the last one. Much like most Shark fans doubt is starting to creep in WAY DOWN INSIDE where most people won't admit it's there. Game Five (and handshakes) on Saturday? What do you guys say?

Hockey is played with a stick, unless the puck glances ACCIDENTLY off a skate, any redirection that is intentional should not be a goal. It's easy to tell what is on purpose and what is accidental. If you are looking down at the puck and turn your skate as the puck arrives that's not a goal. If you are not looking and the puck hits your skate and goes in, that's accidental. It's not brain surgery.

You know, of course Journey is a San Francisco (aka Bay Area like San Jose) band right? Regardless, I think the Wings win tonight and our Sharks wrap it up on Saturday at the "Rockinest Place in the Hockey World" The HP Pavillion. GO SHARKS!!!!

Ok, let's ASSUME the goal that Zetterberg kicked in was good and that was a bad call. The play where the Wings were awarded a penalty shot was an AWFUL call. Couture just pushed the puck under Nabokov's pads, never once did he cover the puck with his glove. The ref was out of position and missed it. The refs "tried" to give the Wings a make up goal, but Nabokov "foiled" their plot. Also, look CLOSELY at the replay of the Holmstrom slash. Clearly he does take a whack at the back of Vlasic's leg and he did it right in front of the ref, almost daring him to call it, so call it he did.

Why do you keep calling me a troll because I disagree with you on your interpretations of the game? Really? I thought this was a discussion forum, but apparently it's a "Redwing homers only" forum. My mistake. Oh, and speaking of bad calls, the penalty shot was complete and utter crap as well. Couture pushed the puck under Nabokov's pads with his glove, something defensemen do all the time. At no time did he cover the puck with his glove. But it "looked" bad, so the Wings were awarded a penalty shot undeserved as it was. So we'll call it even between Zetterberg's kick in and the phantom penalty shot award. Deal? Last comment, I promise. Look at the clip, you can clearly see Lebda's face sitting on the bench and there is no mark anywhere on it.

Didn't see anything that looked like a slash in the first replay, but then again, I don't think McGinn's stick touched Lebda's face and he completely faked it (mostly because there isn't even the tiniest red mark anywhere on his face) As for the goal, if you were to allow a player to redirect pucks in with their skates on purpose it would change the game completely. That's a good no goal call. Later in the game, the Wings scored when a puck accidently went off Holmstrom's skate, there was no intent to change the direction of the puck, therefore the goal it good. That is the difference. As for the last Holmstrom penalty. He crosschecks Boyle in to Nabokov, that might have been okay, but he kept on hammering Boyle while he was on top of the goalie, driving Nabokov's head in to the ice. That was the thing that probably got him the gate on that one. I doubt anyone would argue that shouldn't have been a call once he "went too far" with the contact. Oh, and yes you can legally deflect the puck with your skate, but not on goal. That's the difference.

The four guys you circled are not and were not at any time involved in the play. If anything it was such a bad line change that the Sharks had "too few men on the ice" Clearly not the kind of call you make with the puck 75ft away from the players in question. I doubt you'll find a single hockey expert of personality (TV or radio) outside of Detroit who would think that was a penalty. BTW, I think you guys are being a little hard on Howard. Yes, the last goal was due to him "cheating" off the expected pass, but it was a nice, very accurate shot by Couture, give the kid some credit. On the Thornton goal, actually the puck was headed straight for Howard's logo, but ticked off the shaft of Datysuk's stick which made it change directions. At least that is what it looked like on the Bay Area feed replay. Definitely not Howard's fault.

LOL Maybe Setoguchi should have "dove" instead of shooting? Sharks withstand the best the Wings got and it's only a 1 goal game. Gonna be good.

He calls me an idiot that's ok, I respond with an English lesson and you are threatening to ban me? Wow, really? That's lame.

Control your language, I know it is hard to have class, but fake it. What I'm talking about is the bump on Nabokov, and the high stick in the face to Huskins that lead to the Wings goal. If you can't beat them honestly, cheat.

your an idiot And YOU are an illiterate moron. The word is "you're" not "your"

Stop whining you pathetic losers. Geezus, it's annoying. Well, the make up goal, A little bump on the goalie, a high stick to take out the defenseman, and a goal. Happy now? Goon hockey prevails.

Will reserve comment until I see it, but even some of the more honest Wings fans thought "no goal" was the right call.

Redirect with the skate? This should be interesting.......get out those tinhats boys!!!

Yeah, the Sharks ARE only 3-6 in Detroit in the postseason but remember, that was as the "underdog" This year the Sharks are the lower seeded team (1 to the Wings 5) so comparisons aren't really valid. This is also the first series (naturally) that the Sharks have played the Wings with home ice advantage. Yes, a tribute to the Wings annual success, but also a factor that Detroit has never had to deal with before. This isn't the same thing. This time the Sharks hold the upper hand, expect them to play like they deserve it. Obviously, this is going to hinge on special teams play.............. Yeah, the Sharks are divers, and the Wings don't do the same thing............whatever helps you sleep at night.

The Wings will come out flying tonight, the Sharks will have to withstand the onslaught in the first 10 minutes. Being the aggressor the Wings will probably (like the Sharks did in Games 1 and 2) draw more penalties. It will be up to the Sharks to show the Wings how to kill them. (instead of just whining about the refs) If the Sharks can get out of the first period within a goal then all bets are off on who wins. If the Wings put up three or four, then it will be hard to overcome that. (not that the Sharks can't but in the Joe, it's doubtful) You'll know who is going to win by the end of the second period...... One for the Wings fans........do you remember when?

I’m not real excited about tonight’s game to be honest with you. I will miss the first two hours (start time is 4pm PST) and I don’t like watching DVR’d games especially when I know the outcome. I have to laugh though, at the “fans” on this site. First they accuse Setoguchi of “diving” but can’t give a single example of when he did. Now, I’ve seen some posts accusing Pavelski of “diving’ but again, no specific examples. You really need to form your own opinions and not believe bloggers and local biased reporters. Now, to the officiating. I know a lot of you are expecting that the Wings get the calls tonight because the refs “owe” the Redwings something. So basically you are saying biased officiating is expected and approved, AS LONG as it benefits YOUR team? Seems like kind of a hypocritical attitude (maybe it’s just me) Any way, enjoy the game, I’m guessing you’ll be more happy with tonight’s outcome. GO SHARKS

I have to say I’m really surprised that fans from “Hockeytown” are doing nothing but whining about the officiating like newbies. This is the playoffs, hockey is a physical game and there are dozens of penalties on both teams that go uncalled otherwise it would be an endless parade to the box and god, would the games be high scoring (to the point of being ridiculous) As for the cries of “diving” while Setoguchi MAY have embellished that high stick call, the stick was definitely “up” around his face area where it isn’t supposed to be, so the call was LEGIT. As for the call where the Red Wing player came up bloody? Again, the call was legit and you can’t possibly expect Setoguchi to control his stick while falling down, can you? Suck it up, the officiating wasn’t the reason you lost. Sunday is another game, both teams will be well rested and it should be amazing. See you Sunday. GO SHARKS!!!!