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I agree, but this started before he was even a UFA if I remember. When he was with the Leafs he wanted to trade for him? I could be mixing him up with someone else, just think it's funny though.

I can't quite figure out your obsession with Franson lol You must really like him as a player because you are campaigning hard for him to sign here.

Kopitar, Ovi, Tarasenko, Giroux, Burns

David Price ✔ @DAVIDprice14 James McCann WILL have a C on his chest like Varitek did...he cares and he is a leader!! He will do what needs to be done...

Doubt it. Rogers has all the money in the world but doesn't believe in 5+ year contracts for Baseball players, which is why they never sign top FA talent. Would be nice if the new president can convince them to change that but it's been that way as long as Beeston has been in charge (10+ years).

Why not? You got back a very good package and Price is probably going to LA or Chicago (rumors). He made the correct move, Norris is going to be a stud. However, let the conspiracies begin: Dombrowski is going to Toronto to re-sign Price and offer him 2% stake of the company and 300 million dollar contract on top of that. Also Price was brought in to recruit Kevin Durant to the Raptors, as he was at David Price first start for the Jays on Monday. Everything is happening!

He probably would have said Datsyuk but they play for the same team and wanted to give another answer. Jagr by no means is a wrong answer, the guy is still a beast. They should have asked "Most overrated player in the NHL" Zetteberg: "Toews, easily" True story.

I don't agree with that article, I think they are two totally different situations. Dombrowski clearly wanted to move on after he made the moves at the deadline, I am almost 100% certain he is coming to Toronto to take over for Paul Beeston as the President of the Blue Jays. Holland unless he wants to move on or retire I believe he will be re-signed. I don't really see any other GM doing what he has done the last two decades and to maintain it is incredible.

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He is. He was the Jays #2 overall prospect behind Hoffman and the Jays were ridiculously deep in pitching. Norris if he reaches his potential will be a very good #2 and might even be an ace but I think that's putting too much into it. He has great off speed stuff, and a good fastball to keep the hitters honest.

Yes I would, absolutely take them over him. It's a blend of offense, which everyone on that list surpasses Toews by alot and defense, which the gap is not that large for him to surpass Seguin or Backstrom, who are no slouches in the defensive department and drive possession. Kopi is around the same offensively, but his defense (See Corsi numbers) and possession numbers make him better. Toews possession numbers aren't close to those three, he struggles to create anything on his own. Keith is the MVP of Chicago, not Toews.

No particular order off the top of my head: Crosby Malkin Ovi Stamkos Giroux Tavares Datsyuk Backstrom Getzlaf Kopitar HM: Zetterberg, Toews, Seguin, Bergeron

sums up this post. Keep believing that your eyes tell you everything. Your eyes apparently are telling you Toews is better then Ovi.... Toews on Washington doesn't win them a cup, Ovi on Chicago wins them more cups then they won with Toews. As I said before, you can't argue what you don't understand. Hockey Reference tells me everything I need to know about a player, then you can dig into the advanced stats to know more. Toews is not a top 10 player.

Where is eva ? We need him to confirm this.

Ok, but that didn't prove anything. The 5-6 I named are absolute PPG+ players (elite) since Toews has been around but Toews is well below PPG in his career. There is probably over 30+ players ahead of his PPG (.90PPG). Most people that rank him in the top 10 are drunk. Would love to see some lists people come up with. Also which awards has he won? Conn Smythe, which some might argue belongs with Kane since Toews went no show against Philly, (Kane also has 2 Stanley Cup winning goals, Toews 0) and 1 Selke.

Who cares about Zetterberg in the argument then, leave him out. My argument is that Toews isn't that good, precisely. He is not a top 10 player in the NHL, and is highly overrated. Ex: Datsyuk at 37 is still better then Toews at 28 and would be overall rated higher then Toews. You have people on this forum saying they take Toews over Ovi ffs.. that says it all.

Playoffs: Toews is .086PPG, Zetterberg .090PPG Regular Season: Toews is .090PPG, Zettberg .094PPG Playing more games and averaging a higher PPG is harder to do. Toews PPG will continue to drop since he can't even hit PPG in a season to maintain it. Some Names PPG since 2006-2007: Crosby Ovi Malkin Stamkos Backstrom Giroux (not sure)

That's because Toews isn't that good offensively. He is well below PPG in his career playoffs, and season. Others will argue it's because "He isn't being asked to score" in which I call bs, he just doesn't have elite offensive skill and his defense is pretty overrated. He is not a top 10 player in the NHL right now either. Datsyuk shows why he was way better then Toews will be in that regard, he was able to play elite offense and defense.

Based off last season, Tatar was the better player. In future, Nyquist if he can play better 5 on 5 and drive possession like Tatar.

Zetterberg / Zetterberg. Pretty obvious he's the better player right now based on stats and previous match ups, and obviously the better player in his prime. Unless Z dramatically drops off the face of the earth he will have a better season then Toews.

For the math freaks I wonder what the total statistics of deaths caused are of that goomba. Once we know that the math freaks can then figure out how to defend against it.

Backstrom = Luigi? or perhaps toad?

Since your bringing up Toews selke's, and great two way play. Let's see if the gap is really that close for the defensive argument you are clinging to. Let's compare the resumes to show how Toews all around play doesn't account for Ovi's all around play. Toews: 1 Selke 1 Conn Smythe Oh yea, that 1 selke really shows Toews is soo great defensively. He is absolutely just miles above everyone else, especially Ovi. He has a whopping 1 more Selke after all. Like I said before, are you saying Bergeron is better then Toews? Ovechkin: 2005-06 NHL Calder Memorial Trophy 2007-08 NHL Art Ross Trophy 2007-08 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy 2007-08 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy 2007-08 NHL Ted Lindsay Award 2008-09 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy 2008-09 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy 2008-09 NHL Ted Lindsay Award 2009-10 NHL Ted Lindsay Award 2012-13 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy 2012-13 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy 2013-14 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy 2014-15 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy Oh yea, let me also mention one of these players is a generational talent, the other is just a very good player.

The more games you play the harder the PPG is to maintain? Is that not common sense? It's not personal, it's pretty rational. I showed you stats that prove my argument, I have yet to see anything from you except text as to why you think Toews is better. Yes, Z over Toews because as stats show Toews is not the better player. Edit: Actually I don't know why I am asking you for stats, you are the same person that doesn't acknowledge advanced stats. You can't argue what you don't undestand.