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Colaiacovo, I mean MDZ, def would have helped our D, DEF

With Del Zotto I see a guy who had 2 good seasons very early, followed by 2 bad seasons and is now 24 (Total of 4 full seasons) With Smith I see a guy who had 1 bad/ok (it's his first, it's hard to tell) season. and is now 25 DZ has proved more, but is also trending downward very badly. Smith has been sheltered, but it remains to be seen if he's a producer or not. I'd rather take a chance on Smith IMO, but I understand the other side of the coin too.

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, Stalin, and the new chick in the Wendy's commercials, I would shoot Wendy's girl twice.

Atta undrafted michigan boy!

Don't be a damn fool GMR ... Lilja would have played LW

It sucks it's not fair. Konstantinov going down. Fischer going down. Peverley, Timonen, Savard. I feel for all of them, especially the ones who don't get a come back.

You might say he was the Laimbeer of the Wings during his time here

Brother, stop living in fear of The Andreas Lilja. Embrace him as the best fighter of all time and you shall be spared of his wrath.

Goddammit if I wanted to talk about the Leafs and Flames I would have gone to the HF boards Lilja >

Whoa... Andreas is #2 to no man Everybody talks about this Lidstrom guy, but as soon as Lilja left this team we went downhill.... Dots connected yet?

That's what I was thinking. Bertuzzi > Ferraro

Lilja? More like Killya

Good I hope that his medical troubles are long gone. May the Hampus be with you.

Was reading up on our prospects and saw that the Hampus was diagnosed with a respiratory disease this last season! Why did it have to be him???

Agreed

I'm thinking Turgeon could be our diamond in this draft. The initial reports were that he doesn't project higher than a 3rd line C, and no one was really thrilled when we got him with that pick other than the obligatory father mentions. However, the draft mastermind Wings made a play in order to select him in the draft, which makes me think they see a possible diamond in the kid. Now he achieves this right after being selected

Idk, there D still looks awful, and I don't think either goalie is gonna hold up with that group

Lilja didn't have to fight that much cause everyone was afraid of him. Plus Babs doesn't like his Dmen to fight... If Lilja had played wing he would have wrecked shop

I think all our fighters are underrated. Probert, Kocur, McCarty, Lilja, Downey, and Tootoo

I'll say this, Hedman, Giordano, Vlasic, and Niskanen all finished higher in Norris voting than Kronwall, OEL, and Subban this year. I thought that was insulting to those 3 players as I believe they all played better than the first 4.

I was trying to be sarcastic, but yes I agree. I think Degrass backed himself into a corner by claiming that only 2-3 players are elite at their position. Heck I think there's at least 5 "elite"goalies in this league. And since there's 30 starting goalies in this league that means that theirs 60 top pairing D-men, and I believe at least 6 or 7 could be considered elite. And When it comes to forwards there's even more. I don't think the term elite should ever be pigeon-holes into one specific number. Personally I consider D and Z very elite, Kronwall no. Very proficient, but not a game-changer.

Subban is aggressive and emotional on the ice. Some people think that translates to the locker room, and those are people called... RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAscals

Kronwall isn't elite because he has never been one of the top 2-3 D-men in the league. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still elite because at one point they were the top 2-3 in the league, until they declined to where they weren't, but sometimes they can still play at that level. Thus they are elite. What aren't you following?

Kozlov and Larionov were both overshadowed by Fedorov, Vladdy, and Fetisov while they were here, despite both being extremely good hockey players

I change my vote to Lilja https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw9oF9VX4f8 He grew up drinking his water off the walls of mountains