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Everything posted by number9
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Welcome to LGW. Yes, we all know what to do. In fact everyone here agrees we should trade Franzen for Ovechkin straight up.
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Yeah 6'6" 207 lb checking line wingers suck at being gritty
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So if Chi buys out Hossa and we sign him you'll be completely ok with Franzen again.....?
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I wouldn't count on Callahan or Martin being anywhere near available. Downie might be, though I personally dislike him. Barely made the lineup in Philly and he of all players fits their mold. He'd be the next Tootoo here.
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That's the thing. Holland has a very conservative FA and Trade philosophy... Which I personally agree with. Draft is the way to go. He's not going to get our next big piece through FA our Trade, unless a Hossa or Rafi express interest. He's going to build through our deep prospect pool
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"Hated the signing from day one" "Franzen at any expense" "Re-sign Franzen long term" SOW did his HW. Quit back peddling.
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F Michael and Bama I sorta disagree with u. I think Holland has tried to draft a new core over the last years... Going after guys like Goose, Tatar, Pulkinen, Almqvist, ironhook, Etc. But once he got those guys he started peppering in size and grit more and more. AKA Bodin, Hudon, Callahan, McKee, Glendening, Mcnulty, Bertuzzi, Wheaton, etc. Sheehan and Jurco are bit gritty and big themselves as well. Holland knows these future Grindy types will compliment his up and coming core. Of course we will always favor soft euros, it's where our best scouts are, but holland isn't dumb. He's not taking them only and he's taking them less now that he has a lot of them. Ok, completely ignore every large or gritty player He's drafted. He's done a lot more than draft those 5 in the grit and size department
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I hate Franzen, but greening would be great on a top line. Kill me.
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I don't think he's a liability at all, just not much of an asset when he's not scoring. He's also on 1/10 of Ovis contract
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I agree about Trouba, but that's it
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Greening is big, fast, and will fight here or there, but he's defiantly not gritty. Any Sens fan will tell you he doesn't use his size, he's not aggressive enough, and is inconsistent in his play. He's basically a poor mans Franzen. And likewise just bc Greening was 12th in hits doesn't mean he's gritty
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Setoguchi and Greening are gritty? A lot of opposing fans would disagree
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Buying out players only happens when there significantly overpaid. Franzen, regardless of ur own qualms with him, is worth 4 million, and would get more than that per year on the open market. Tootoo, whether u like him or not, doesn't play, and is therefore worthy of a buyout. Sure Franzen has that ridiculously long contract, but I'm willing to bet he's still enough decent at 38. If I'm wrong when that rolls around ill change toon, but till then I believe
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Your predictions for the roster heading into the offseason.
number9 replied to DSM's topic in General
The red wings don't need 3 of their top 6 forwards, or a few of their established D-men. Rebuilding is fun. It's a joke bc what ur suggesting will never happen. Welcome to the red wings. -
Trade Franzen for someone with a decent groin - Degrass 2014
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1,900,000 is far from nothing in the NHL and he's not trade-able. If he was it would have happened already. He can barely crack the Griffins right now. Wouldn't be surprised if his NHL career is done.
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Franzen plays D as well. What about Hudler? Buy out candidate? Nope BTW, none of u watch hockey. Only me.
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Oh, so because of yesterdays turnover Franzen is now labeled as an overall turnover machine? Yeah, that was a bad give away. But it was also just one of only two give aways he had in the PO's. He also lead the team in take-aways during the PO's with 4. Now those stats do have some recording errors, but they still don't paint the picture of a guy who consistently gives away pucks. Sincerely, Guy who only reads boxscores
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So because I use stats to support my argument I must not be a real fan who watches games? Come on man, not only is that a fallacious argument, but it's a low blow to my wings ego. I don't spend an inordinate amount of time here and have almost 2,000 posts because I'm a casual fan. The point I'm trying to make is that despite whatever problem you have with Franzen, he's worth 4 million, and could probably get 4.5 per year on the FA market. You don't buyout guys who are worth their cap hit. You don't even buyout guys who are slightly overpaid. I agree we can put a better player with Datsyuk too. I don't want want Franzen playing with Datsyuk. I've said he's a 2nd liner time and time again in this thread. I consider Datsyuk a 1st liner.
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Ur right, I was just pointing out that everyone not named Datsyuk or Zetterberg had an average to bad playoff outing
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The bold shows the first thing everyone says when their own argument is not supported by the stats. They accuse the other person of not watching the games and only reading box scores. And yes it's immature and childish like u said. So we can't compare Nyquist to Franzen but we can compare Franzen to Cleary? While we're at it let's compare Alfredsson to Samuelsson. Alfredsson made over a million more than Franzen in bonuses this year. So we buyout Franzen. What does he get on the open market?
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If Holland expected him to be a Gaborik/Hossa/Nash type he would have paid him Gaborik/Hossa/Nash level money. Fact is he's paid like a 2nd liner and that's just how he performs. Of course Babcock wants more out of him, Babs doesn't have a top line scorer to depend on and has to defer to Franzen. Just cause we need a top line scorer doesn't mean Franzen is the odd man out.
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41 pts in 54 games, even in bursts, is not a 3rd liner. I slate him at 2nd line. He's paid and plays like a 2nd liner. If he was paid 6 or 7 million a year like Datsyuk and Zetterberg, I'd be up in arms with u guys, but he's not. Franzen can get more than 4 million on the open market. It'd be dumb to buy him out.
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"Lazy" "Floater" I still don't buy into those excuses. He's never been fast. He's never been physical. He's average at D. He has a good wrister.... So basically when he's not scoring he's going to look pretty invisible no matter what u do. He isn't Zetterberg or Datsyuk. He doesn't have elite top line skills like them that get you noticed even in a slump. And that's why he's not paid like them.
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Alfredsson and Legwand also had 0 playoff points. Both paid more than Franzen. But we need to bring both of them back right?