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Way more than 10% of the league is over 30. The average age of skaters is 27.5. But the numbers are made up, forget it. It's dumb to argue about. Expecting Franzen to never play again is a pretty drastic conclusion, when there's zero reports suggesting that's the case. No one speculated Zberg would be done after his last chronic back issue. Wonder why that is... Don't expect to see him ever again? There ya go

Franzen had been playing on the 3rd line for a while when he went down. I notice a different feel to the team when Datsyuk or Zberg are out, but that's about it. Feelings are pretty subjective though. And there's a whole lot of them ppl harbor against Franzen around here that come into play. I don't expect him to return to 2008 freak form. I just think the picture ppl like to paint of him is pretty skewed.

6'3" 200 lbs is the highest I see him listed at. Pretty good.

Holland has Green, Franson, and Ehrhoff to look forward to in free agency among others. I'd rather pay a little more for Franson, maybe Green, than spend assets and money on Phaneuf. I think it's pretty apparent Toronto is going to have to eat salary and Weiss's contract f Phaneuf is going to come to Detroit, which probably isn't happening.

He must have a ridiculous amount of luck then. Putting up 22 pts in 33 games while being 2 steps behind everyone else is pretty impressive. Yeah sure, Helm would have won us those last few loses, but not Franzen. No way.

He doesn't seem to understand the concept of tanking at all lol. Of course players and coaches aren't tanking, they're fighting for jobs. Tanking comes from management. But sure Ken - that's just "creative roster management" - not a tank job lol #TankJob

For arguments sake, age isn't really the relevant factor though. It just happens to be the point in a players career in which multiple concussions have accumulated. So lets be more generous and cut that 540 number in half, and say somehow only 270 concussions occurred over the last 10 years, despite 90 of those coming in one single season. If a mere 10% of those concussions occurred to repeated players, we're looking at 27 players suffering from repeated concussions in the last 10 seasons. Savard, Pronger, and Lindros would account for just 11% of that population.

I understand how concussions work. What I don't understand is how you can speculate on the nature of Franzen's without intimate knowledge of his health. Some players can take many concussions and keep playing, and some can't take more than a few. Based on recent news it seems that Franzen is again leaning towards the former, despite your amateur medical assessments from behind a computer screen. Let's BS some numbers for fun. So there were 90 concussions during the 2011/12 season. Let's pretend that that number is freaky high and say that all other seasons over the past 10 had 50 concussions, since I can't find numbers for them. That's 540 concussions over the past 10 seasons. Let's pretend that only a measly 30% of those occurred to players in their mid 30's. That's 162 concussions occurring to players in their mid 30s over the past 10 seasons. Now let's say only 10% of those 162 apply to guys repeatedly concussed. That's 16.2 repeatably concussed mid 30's players in the last 10 years. And yet Savard, Pronger, and Lindros would only account for 18% of that population that I skewed heavily your way in every possible way. They are FAR from the norm.

GUYS. THESE JOKES ARE NOT FUNNY. Tank my word for it.

It's difficult to find stats about concussions obviously. Here's one 90 players suffered concussions during the 2011/12 season Savard, Lindros, and Pronger seem to be the outliers, not the norm.

Citing Savard, Pronger, and Lindros proves absolutely nothing. The vast majority of players that go through the NHL do not have their careers cut short by concussions, even after multiple. You spot picked a few bad results out of the hundreds of guys who recover and play

Mind you, Holland was still trying to fit Hossa under the cap when Franzen signed that. He sacrificed term to get a great cap hit so Hossa could be signed. Marian walked straight to chi town though for that giant deal.

His contract was for a great cap hit when he signed it, and for more than a few years after, at his production. The contract was designed to benefit us in the beginning, not the end. I'm sure Holland and co fully expect/ed him to drop off some in his later years like all players do

Well at least you can admit it I guess

Not one report suggested his career was in jeopardy. Like I said, 100% fan speculation/wishful thinking from Franzen haters

14? Why not 15? Lazy

I cannot wait for this forum to turn on the 6'5" softness that is Anthony Mantha. Hopefully Franzen will still be around to pass the torch. Full circle.

That's the spirit!

Russian ref can't let a Fin score without retribution

I'm sick and tired of us tankers being treated like a joke. I legitimately want a tank

HANK THE TANK! HANK THE TANK!

AKA: "I didn't voice concern for Z's career" LOL Bye

TANK IT

I wasn't suggesting the media lied about his injury at all. And back issues end careers as well my friend. See Nathan Horton for the most recent. As a medical doctor myself, my professional opinion is that I have no idea the extent of Franzen's personal brain damage/trauma because I'm not his doctor and therefore can't suggest either way. Looks as though Franzen's concussion expert in Ann Arbor feels he's capable of coming back though

I run to the corner store for beer for 2 seconds and we score. Figures. Now I'm gonna have to make more trips if the Wings wanna pile up goals