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How does that translate to me not knowing about hockey Mr. Smarty Pants? I mean, since you're so concerned with "context". esteef

Just as dumb as singling out one player in an 8-2 loss, especially one of the only ones who scored for us. I know lots Babcock doesn't know... esteef

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So what about all the other goals? Should we get rid of those players who were "out of position" too or just Downey? I mean do they belong in the NHL if they can't keep their positions as well? At least Downey evened up his apparent lack of positioning with a goal. What did all those other guys do? esteef

Commodore and Torres, PLEASE play your little tough-guy act tonight against the Wings with Downey in the lineup. PLEASE! esteef

Yep, but teams without players with "big dicks" usually don't get very far. esteef

Big Rig Hut! esteef

Great point, unfortunately there's no "stat" to "back it up". esteef

With all the hubub about Hossa getting hurt, Downey's fight and Kopecky's coming out party, I almost forgot how well I thought Ericsson played. He was physical behind and around our net, he carried the play into the offensive zone a few times setting up some scoring chances, made some great passes to bring the puck out of the defensive zone and even looked pretty comfortable on the PP. He's ready to be here IMO. Thoughts? esteef

Exactly. esteef

One of my favorites! esteef

Dude, the bolded part is hilarious. Still with the "proof" bulls***. Your problem is your all-or-nothing stance on enforcers preventing cheap shots. It's not an absolute man, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, it's that simple. Better to have one than not IMO, because I do believe they help prevent extra bulls***. Also, I'd like to ask Homer, or any of the other front-of-the-net guys if they think they've been given any "cheap shots" around the net after the whistle this year. A player doesn't need to leave the game on a stretcher for it to be considered a "cheap shot". Enforcers deter a lot, you either believe it or you don't. I'm just ensuring the pro-enforcer/fighter argument is being fairly represented here with regard to that notion. esteef

First of all, settle down man. Nobody's covering anything up. I made the comment in jest knowing deterrence doesn't have a stat, which is exactly why it's always demanded to be proven by posters such as yourself. You think the lack of evidence means you're right. This isn't a court case. Second, Lappy got off a good blind-sided hit on Downey, probably due to their last meeting where Downey got the better of him. Downey immediately got up in his face to which Lappy declined (due in part to his face already being smashed up) and was ineffective the rest of the game. So, was Downey doing his job? Let's see, did Lappy concentrate his attention on star players or Downey? You tell me Op. esteef

Well............................BYE! esteef

2 points for you for recognizing sarcasm. My point, as you articulated in your example, is as ridiculous as Opie saying enforcers are useless since SOME cheap shots still happen. esteef

You're right, it IS a dead horse, and incorrect. The mere existence of cheap shots does not disprove the notion that tough players prevent A LOT of bulls*** from happening. So who did Downey keep honest? Every player who DIDN'T cheap shot our guys. In fact, after Lappy's hit, Downey got into his face at the benches and Lappy wanted no part of it. Lappy had no impact after that. Honest. esteef

So was Kronner? esteef

True. I did notice he stands in the middle of everything challenging after the whistle too, something the Wings have lacked for some time. esteef

Actually Draper got the goal, but Downey ensured Meech got the puck for the sweet pass to Drapes! Cheers! esteef

2 for 2 with Downey in the lineup! esteef

Dare I say Kopecky plays better with a fighter in the lineup? Or at least Griffins? Ericsson, Meech, Downey, Kopecky all lookin' good! etseef

Big Rig lookin' good again so far. After the first 2 periods: Ericsson = +1, 2SOG, 1BS, 2Hits! Keep him up coach! esteef

I'm diggin' the Mule-Kopi-Z line too! esteef

Downey = +1, 1A, 1SOG, 5:06 Ice time. Suck it Lappy! :beerbuddy: esteef

DOWNEY ON THE BOARD *******!!!!!!!!!!! ESTEEF