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Ken Holland was giving the reporter lip service. If those guys are so hard to find, how the hell does every other team keep finding them? Lucic, Carcillo, Boll, Clarkson, etc, etc.... Downey had a great impact last year which was confirmed by the players in the media more than once. Again, If fighting is so insignificant to the game or "winning" why does every team still use one (or more) to this day? esteef

Nice side-step. Did those players fight regularly? Yes or No. Please speak into the microphone. esteef

Won Cups with guys like McCarty and LaPointe on his "fourth line", and Shanahan on his 1st/2nd. Point? esteef

BTW, I have a daughter and I still think the whole thing was BS. esteef

If fighting is SO useless, and doesn't "correlate to winning", why does every f***in' team have at least one fighter? The whole league must be stupid then, right? I mean wasting a roster spot that a "scorer" could occupy. I don't get it? All this time I thought they knew what they were doing? Silly me... esteef

McCarty must've been hoggin' the groin stretcher! :xmas: esteef

:noevil: :rotflmao: esteef!

How funny is it that the first coaching opportunity for a former Detroit assitant employs an everyday enforcer? AND is successful at it!? AND they just happen to lead the league in scoring!? Hello? esteef

42! 42! 42!... :beerbuddy: esteef

Using steroids and mouthing off in the media are two entirely different things, let's keep them as such. The difference in your statement above though is the fans didn't know the steroid use was taking place until after the fact. So they didn't have the opportunity to decide to continue watching anyway, they were being duped essentially. There's nothing hiding in the background with s*** talking in the media, the fans can either accept it and continue watching, or move onto something they feel better supporting. I personally would rather watch a sport where players rile each other up through trash talking then one where some players have advantage over others through steroids. esteef

Haha! Bettman suspending a star player a full season for remarks in the media might get him some "corporate interests" knocking on his door asking him WTF?! esteef

Oh please! Now we're worried about corporate interests? You think "corporate partners" give a s*** about what Avery says more than their teams actually winning games?! Avery is a good player and has produced on every team he's been on. Kicking a player off your team because he mouthed off in the media is retarded no matter what league we're talking about. Nobody says "do nothing" to Avery, but a 6 game suspension is way too high, and running him completely out of Dallas on top of that is a ridiculous overreation. By the way, do you have any "proof" of this worry of corporate sponsorship due to Avery's antics? You get more obsurd with every page of this thread. f*** Dallas! esteef

Excellent point. For all those folks who constantly preach sports is "business", that was a dumb "business" decision. Avery is still a good player, antics or not. He will sell tickets and he will produce. Dumping him over this makes the Stars look even more retarded. f*** Hull! esteef

If Avery didn't have the big contract baggage, he would already be on another team, media antics and all. esteef

I agree, but following your agrument, shouldn't your ">" be a "<"? esteef

Hudler! esteef

Crap! I'm kickin' my spotter's ass!

#1 PK unit against almost a full 2:00 minute 5 on 3: Lidstrom, Draper, Lilja Suck It Lilly Haters! esteef

Clarkson kickin' some ass in the Ranger game! He beat Voros down! I dug this thread out from like the 5th or 6th page! :beerbuddy: esteef

f*** Pronger! Don't need him, don't want him! esteef

If any team is deep enough skillwise to "give up a roster spot" to a tough guy it's Detroit. Hell, our whole fourth line could be fighters and we'd still be OK. Riddle me this, if a tough player doesn't provide a God Damned thing then why does every team have at least one if not more? It's not about stopping cheap s*** from happening, it's about responding and matching it when it does, before it gets out-of-hand. This whole 'if it doesn't directly translate to a goal it's useless' theory is just horses***. BTW, letting Lilja be our "enforcer" is stupid because he's one of our best PK'rs. Bring up Downey already! Sheesh. esteef

Here we go! :battle:

You Mothermocker! (+1 for the straw man reference btw) esteef