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Are you saying you have a Toews fetish?!

No s*** right? How the hell is Kopecky on the second line? Him Ellis and Downey on the 4th line makes more sense. Oh well... esteef

How about everybody stop trying to be the thread police. As long as it's on topic post whatever you want, predictions and all. Wings - 6 Yotes - 0 Goals: Lilja, Lilja, Lilja, Lilja, Lilja, and Huds. Cheers! esteef

What a laugh. The Sharks, who many pick as a Cup contender this year, are suddenly "deflated" by the scoring of one goal with plenty of time left to come back in the game. NOT! esteef

Sure there is, all of those things happened in a game in which we won.

Please, and the same could be said for the anti-fighting crowd saying it DIDN'T have anything to do with it. The Wings played tough tonight all around including Downey. Downey's fight, Dats hitting Big Joe from behind, Lilly and Drapes coming to Maltby's aid when Michalek sticked him on the ice, Cheli's elbow to Big Joe's face late in the 3rd, Maltby throwing a few big hits as well, etc. It's a wonderful thing to see the Wings playing tough and sticking up for each other, but I'm sure it's just coincidence that we played physical and won though huh? esteef

He's liberated by not having to do ALL the fighting!

It's not so much about eating crow or being wrong as it is just accepting a different point of view. But I agree, keep DowneY. Cheers! esteef

Lilja blocked 6 shots, was a +1 and played over 19 minutes! And one of those blocks saved a goal! Cheers Lilly! esteef

Lilly just saved a goal! Ozzie was way out of the net!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!!

I'm not turning Downey into Super Player or anything, I'm just saying if Ellis and Kopecky can throw up 0's for game stats we can get at least that out of Downey, plus a little more excitement to boot. The Cleary comment was only to show a similarity in position where Detroit took a chance on a guy that paid off big, not to compare players stats by any means. I'm well aware of what Downey is. esteef

So you see the future now? Downey is who he is? I wonder how many people said that about Cleary? Downey has experience, he fights and he hits. Hitting provides energy and momentum. Ellis and Kopecky collectively had about 8 minutes of ice time and only managed 1 hit between them. I'm not clamoring for Downey every night, but he can be rotated in just as easily as one of the aformentioned softies. I really wanted something to cheer Ellis and Kopecky for last might but they were invisible as usual. esteef

What game was Kopecky the best forward last year? I don't remember that at all. And potential smotential! Potential is what you show in GR before you come up. When you get up to the NHL, you'd better be firing! esteef Everytime I see this rationale it just makes me want to puke. "Fighters don't completely stop cheapshots, therefore fighters are useless." Blah! esteef

I know I've been drinkin', but did I hear Kenny say "Lilja flying up the ice?" Nice win boys! Cheers! esteef

Much rather see Downey, but I'll root for Ellis nonetheless. Cheers! esteef

Please start Downey so Drake doesn't have to eat punches again! Wings - 6 Oilers - 0 Goals: Lilja, Lilja, Lilja, Lilja, Lilja, and Flip! Cheers to aflac!!!!!!!!! esteef

You're forgetting fearless Hudler!

Nah, Torres and Co. won't play us tough, because they know we have Drake.

Kocur, LaPointe and McCarty? Those guys were certainly not the cream-of-the-crop for those positions at the time. The main reason they were there was because of their willingness to drop the mitts. Nobody knew at that time Mac would turn out to be such a playoff beast, he was on the roster mainly because he fought. Kocur as well. Kinda makes Grimson obsolete when you already have players that will fight, something we don't really have now. Unless you count big bad Drake. esteef

Agree, I like Sammy. Please. And him leaving was main the reason we won those Cups too right? LOL! The enforcer would damned sure be more likely to lay Pronger out and necessitate Parros or someone having to stick up for him. Who's gonna do that now? Ellis?

Hey we scored after a "useless" fight. Probably had nothing to do with though... Cheers! esteef

This is the same type of argument as the "it cuts down on cheap shots against your team" argument, there aren't any stats for things that don't happen. Doesn't mean they couldn't have. I call for a new "Intimidated During Game" stat! Cheers! esteef

Overall success yes, but how many of those "successful" years could we have won the Cup had we been tougher, especially in the playoffs? esteef